firstname.lastname@example.org (Hendrik Makaliwe) wrote: >In article <email@example.com>, firstname.lastname@example.org >(Madhudvisa dasa ) wrote: >> [snip] >> >> This material world is only a >> small part of the creation of God (about 1/4). The other 3/4 is the >> spiritual world... >Please Swami, enlighten us about these numbers. >What kind of wisdom did you use to arrive at those? >You even managed to put that "about" before "1/4". What's that suppose to >mean. Measurement errors? Quantum fluctuations? We just take Krishna's and our spiritual master's word for it. There is no other way to get such knowledge. We can't see beyond this universe so how else are we to know what lies beyond it? In the introduction to the Bhagavad-gita As It Is you will find: "...in the brahmajyoti (spiritual sky) there are innumerable spiritual planets. The number of these planets is far, far greater than all of the planets of this material world. This material world has been approximated as only one quarter of the creation (ekamsena sthito jagat). In this material segment there are millions and billions of universes with trillions of planets and suns, stars and moons. But this whole material creation is only a fragment of the total creation. Most of the creation is in the spiritual sky." The verse (ekamsena sthito jagat) is Bhagavad-gita 10.42. Ours is a different process for acquiring knowledge. We receive knowledge from a bona fide authority. If you have the right authority you can get the right knowledge immediately. Of course nowadays there are many cheating "gurus" and many people have been conned by them in the past so people are, rightly so, suspicious of "gurus" and reluctant to accept knowledge gained in such a way. But still if you can find someone who actually knows something he can teach it to you... It's a simple idea. "Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth." (Bhagavad-gita 4.34) >> The defect of our Western culture is although people become frustrated >> with material life, they have no alternative to it. Our society doesn't >> provide a spiritual alternative. So people become frustrated and commit >> suicide -- because there is nothing left. >For once, there is some truth in your statement. >cheers >Hendrik Makaliwe Thank you. Hare Krishna! Madhudvisa dasa (email@example.com) http://www.krishna.org All glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!