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The Final Order–A Very Misleading Paper

June 11, 2009 by madhudvisa-dasa  
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Krishna Kant has completely misrepresented the teachings of Srila Prabhupada on one specific point. He has attempted to prove Srila Prabhupada did not intend any of his disciples to become initiating gurus, ever. This is his unique addition to the ritvik philosophy. He has attempted to prove this point by selectively quoting from Srila Prabhupada and using much word jugglery.

My intention in this article is not to enter into the politics of the guru issue or give my own opinions or the opinions of any group of followers of Srila Prabhupada. My interest is to simply present the actual teachings of Srila Prabhupada on a specific point. The reason for this presentation is in his paper, "The Final Order," Krishna Kant has completely misrepresented the teachings of Srila Prabhupada on one specific point.

Krishna Kant has attempted to prove that Srila Prabhupada did not intend any of his disciples to become diksa [initiating] gurus, ever. This is his unique addition to the ritvik philosophy. He has attempted to prove this point by selectively quoting from Srila Prabhupada and using much word jugglery. This rather bizarre philosophy is unique to Krishna Kant and his few followers. It is not shared by the general body of the followers of Srila Prabhupada.

We have on a number of occasions presented clear irrefutable evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders to his disciples on become qualified diska gurus. However Krishna Kant is not prepared to even consider Srila Prabhupada’s direct instructions on the matter and accept that the conclusion of his paper, "There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus," is completely false and a complete misrepresentation of the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.

761210DB.HYD Lectures
So we got this information from His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, and that knowledge is still going on. You are receiving through his servant. And in future the same knowledge will go to your students. This is called parampara system. Evam parampara prap… It is not that you have become a student and you’ll remain student. No. One day you shall become also guru and make more students, more students, more. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission, not that perpetually… Yes, one should remain perpetually a student, but he has to act as guru. That is the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. It is not that because I am acting as guru, I am no longer student. No, I am still student. Caitanya Mahaprabhu taught us this instruction that we shall always remain a foolish student before our Guru Maharaja. That is the Vedic culture. I may be very big man, but still, I should remain a foolish student to my guru. That is the qualification. Guru more murkha dekhi’ karila sasana. We should be always prepared to be controlled by the guru. That is very good qualification. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah. Ara na kariha mane asa. So we should become always a very obedient student to our guru. That is the qualification. That is the spiritual qualification.

Here, in December of 1976, only months before his departure from our material vision, Srila Prabhupada clearly orders his disciples to act as gurus in the future. Prabhupada states his disciples will not remain only students. As Srila Prabhupada has received the knowledge from his guru and he is acting as diksa guru by giving the same knowledge to his students, in the same way his students must go on to become diksa gurus and give the same knowledge to their students. Prabhupada is ordering his students to become qualified diksa gurus.. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission. The qualification is required: "I should remain a foolish student to my guru. We should always be prepared to be controlled by the guru."

660729BG.NY Lectures
There is no consideration of material impediment. So it is open for everyone. Catur-varnyam maya srstam. That is a chance given, that you can become a brahmana, you can become a great devotee of Lord Krsna, and you can become the spiritual master of the world. That is the… And I think you should take seriously.

This is a specific order from Srila Prabhupada stating becoming spiritual master of the world is open for all of his disciples. The chance is given and he requests his disciples to take it seriously. Of course it is conditional on the disciples becoming qualified. However the order to become the spiritual master of the world is clearly given. If one becomes the spiritual master of the world he will, of course, accept disciples.

750406CC.MAY Lectures
And to become acarya is not very difficult. First of all, to become very faithful servant of your acarya, follow strictly what he says. Try to please him and spread Krsna consciousness. That’s all. It is not at all difficult. Try to follow the instruction of your Guru Maharaja and spread Krsna consciousness. That is the order of Lord Caitanya.

Here Srila Prabhupada is asking his disciples to become acaryas. He gives the advice "try to become very faithful servant of your acarya, follow strictly what he says. Try to please him and spread Krishna consciousness. That’s all. It is not difficult. That is the order of Lord Caitanya." If one is an acarya he will certainly accept disciples. The clear order from Srila Prabhupada to his disciples to become acaryas is here. Of course it is conditional on the disciples being qualified. But Prabhupada has given the order. Any of his disciples can become qualified and accept this order.

680817VP.MON Lectures
Now, this spiritual master’s succession is not very difficult. Of course, my students, they offer me so much respect, but all these respects are due to my spiritual master. I am nothing. I am just like peon. Just like peon delivers one letter. He is not responsible for what is written in that letter. He is not responsible for what is written in that letter. He simply delivers. But a peon’s duty is that he must sincerely carry out the order of the postmaster and deliver the letter to the proper person. That is their duty. Similarly, this parampara system is like that. Every one of us should become a spiritual master because the world is in blazing fire. (aside:) You can give them prasadam. Now, of course, time is very high. So to understand the spiritual master… Spiritual master is not a new invention. It is simply following the orders of the spiritual master. So all my students present here who are feeling so much obliged… I am also obliged to them because they are helping me in this missionary work. At the same time, I shall request them all to become spiritual master. Every one of you should be spiritual master next. And what is their duty? Whatever you are hearing from me, whatever you are learning from me, you have to distribute the same in toto without any addition or alteration. Then all of you become the spiritual master. That is the science of becoming spiritual master. Spiritual master is not any… To become a spiritual master is not very wonderful thing. Simply one has to become sincere soul. That’s all. Evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said that "By disciplic succession this yoga process of Bhagavad-gita was handed down from disciple to disciple. But in course of time that disciplic succession is now lost. Therefore, Arjuna, I am teaching you again the same philosophy."

Here Srila Prabhupada orders his disciples to become spiritual master next. Clearly Srila Prabhupada is speaking of the "spiritual master’s succession," he is speaking of himself as the current spiritual master and is requesting all of his disciples to "become spiritual master next." Prabhupada is clearly talking of diksa gurus. He mentions becoming a spiritual master depends on the qualification of becoming a sincere soul and simply delivering the message like a ‘peon’ delivers a letter. He carries the order and delivers it to the proper person. The qualification is required but the clear order to his disciples to become diksa gurus is given yet again.

Songs Purport to Sri-Sri-Gurv-astakam 690102PU.LA
We should always remember that the spiritual master is in the disciplic succession. The original spiritual master is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He blesses his next disciple, just like Brahma. Brahma blesses his next disciple, just like Narada. Narada blesses his next disciple, just like Vyasa. Vyasa blesses his next disciple, Madhvacarya. Similarly, the blessing is coming. Just like royal succession–the throne is inherited by disciplic or hereditary succession–similarly, this power from the Supreme Personality of Godhead has to receive. Nobody can preach, nobody can become a spiritual master, without obtaining power from the right source. Therefore the very word, it is stated here, praptasya. Praptasya means "one who has obtained." Praptasya kalyana. What he has obtained? Kalyana. Kalyana means auspicity. He has received something which is auspicious for all the human kind. Praptasya kalyana-gunarnavasya. Here is another example. Gunarnava. Arnava means ocean, and guna means spiritual qualities. Just like the same example is going on. It is very nice poetry. There is nice rhethorics and metaphor. The example is set, blazing fire, and it is to be extinguished with the cloud. And wherefrom the cloud comes? Similarly, wherefrom the spiritual master receives the mercy? The cloud receives his potency from the ocean. Therefore the spiritual master also receives his power from the ocean of spiritual quality, that is, from the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So praptasya kalyana-gunarnavasya. Such kind of spiritual master, one has to accept, and vande guroh sri-caranaravindam, and one has to offer his respectful obeisances to such authorized spiritual master. (end)

Here the system of authorization for the position of diksa guru is given. The blessing is coming down in the disciplic succession. Brahma blesses Narada [and others] Narada blesses Vyasa [and others] and so on. The blessing is coming down. Bhaktsiddhanta blessed Srila Prabhupada [and others] Prabhupada took that blessing and the orders of his spiritual master as his life and soul. Therefore he received the potency to become the spiritual master of the world. Now Prabhupada is blessing his disciples with the same power. But they have to become qualified, they have to accept the orders of their spiritual master as their life and soul. Still the blessing is there, the order is there, the power is there. Any one of Prabhupada’s disciples can receive this blessing and the power to become a diksa guru.

710718RC.DET Conversations
Prabhupada: Yes. All of them will take over. These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters.

Here Prabhupada clearly states his disciples are being trained to be future diksa gurus. They will act just as he is acting [ie: they will act as diksa gurus]. Of course they have to become qualified

770415rc.bom Conversations
Prabhupada: "Like father, like son." You should be. Gaurangera bhakta…, jane. Everyone. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, amara ajnaya guru hana tara’ ei desa. He asked everyone, "Just become guru." Follow His instruction. You become guru. Amara ajnaya. Don’t manufacture ideas. Amara ajnaya. "What I say, you do. You become a guru." Where is the difficulty? "And what is Your ajna?" Yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa. Bas. Everything is there in the Bhagavad-gita. You simply repeat. That’s all. You become guru. To become a guru is not difficult job. Follow Caitanya Mahaprabhu and speak what Krsna has said. Bas. You become guru.

Here Prabhupada orders his disciples to become guru, just like him (ie: diksa gurus) Once again he mentions the qualifications.

750302BA.ATL Lectures
So you are hearing this philosophy daily. Try to understand more and more. We have got so many books. And this is the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and, by disciplic succession, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, then my spiritual master. Then we are trying our level best. Similarly, you will also try your level best on the same principle. Then it will go on. Same principle. It doesn’t matter whether one is born in India or outside India. No. When Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, prthivite ache yata nagaradi-grama, “As many towns and cities and villages are there,” He did not say it to make a farce. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So sometimes I am very much criticized that I am making foreigners a brahmana. The caste brahmanas in India, they are very much against me. But this is not fact. When Caitanya Mahaprabhu said that all over the world His message will be broadcast, does it mean that it will be simply a cinema show? No. He wanted that everyone should become perfect Vaisnava. That is His purpose.

Here Srila Prabhupada orders his disciples to try their level best on the same principle as Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Bhaktsiddhanta and himself. Clearly all these devotees acted as diksa gurus and accepted disciples. And Prabhupada orders his disciples to act on the same principle and states "This is the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu." He also mentions the qualification: "everyone should become perfect Vaisnava."

720518AR.LA Lectures
So we have got this message from Krsna, from Caitanya Mahaprabhu, from the six Gosvamis, later on, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Bhaktisiddhanta Thakura. And we are trying our bit also to distribute this knowledge. Now, tenth, eleventh, twelfth… My Guru Maharaja is tenth from Caitanya Mahaprabhu, I am eleventh, you are the twelfth. So distribute this knowledge. People are suffering. They are simply fighting on some false thing, maya. They should be given the real fact of happiness.

Prabhupada again asserts the message is coming in disciplic succession and, as the Six Goswamis, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Bhaktsiddhanta and he himself have distributed the knowledge, he orders his disciples to distribute the knowledge in the same way. Prabhupada clearly states he is the eleventh link in the disciplic succession and he orders his disciples to "distribute this knowledge" and expects his disciples to become the twelfth link in the disciplic succession. He does not expect the disciplic succession to stop at the eleventh link!!!

68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta
Next January there will be an examination on this Bhagavad-gita. Papers will be sent by me to all centers, and those securing the minimum passing grade will be given the title as Bhakti-sastri. Similarly, another examination will be held on Lord Caitanya’s Appearance Day in February, 1970 and it will be upon Srimad-Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita. Those passing will get the title of Bhakti-vaibhava. Another examination will be held sometimes in 1971 on the four books, Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Teachings of Lord Caitanya, and Nectar of Devotion. One who will pass this examination will be awarded with the title of Bhaktivedanta. I want that all of my spiritual sons and daughters will inherit this title of Bhaktivedanta, so that the family transcendental diploma will continue through the generations. Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program. So we should not simply publish these books for reading by outsiders, but our students must be well versed in all of our books so that we can be prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.

From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that "this is my program." The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… "Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization."

Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: "There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus." It is the statement of a crazy fellow.

I expect Krishna Kant will come back with pages of nonsense meant to divert the readers attention from the points Srila Prabhupada has clearly established here and claim "I have defeated Madhudvisa." But we will leave it to the thoughtful readers to decide who has actually been defeated.

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

Your servant

Madhudvisa dasa

Comments

6 Responses to “The Final Order–A Very Misleading Paper”
  1. Ahinsra das says:

    Once I sent a mail to Krishna Kantha and asked why Srila Prabhupada describes the qualities and characteristics of a guru throughout his books. His answer was as follows: Srila Prabhupada was giving us a knowledge about guru so that we can recognize a true guru in him (SP).
    According to Krishna Kantha while writing his books Srila Prabhupada was thinking about himself and while making statement about qualities and characteristics of a guru he was intending to point out himself alone.
    In this way Krishna Kantha is doing more harm than good to His Divine Grace.

    Ahinsra das

  2. Tamoharadasa says:

    Prabhujis; Pamho. AGTSP!

    We have likely all heard the arguments back and forth. But what did Srila Prabhupada actually DO? We can argue until the cows come home, based on quotes, and no conclusions. Srila Prabhupada set up a ritvik system, he recognized no one as potential diksa guru at the time. The proof, is that I would say at least ten out of the eleven initial so-called self-proclaimed gurus, all fell into heavy maya. So, they were unqualified, as Srila Prabhupada clearly knew, and he acted accordingly. Is it not? Even when someone actually qualified appears, such as Gour Govinda Swami Thakura, the GBC simply abused him and called him a trouble maker. When GGM lay on the floor and asked the assembled GBC to come and beat him for his offenses, none dared to move.

    It is clear to the thinking person that the only right thing then, is to continue with the ritvik system. Let those really qualfied, and who have a strong wish to do so, on Krsna’s real order, go out and form their own organizations, which is just WHAT Srila Prabhupada DID.

    Caitanya Caritamrta warns not to take disciples, in Prabhupada’ s purports. But he also advises all to act as guru. How is this possible? Is it not self contradictory? No, it is not, when you understand that all are to represent Krsna As He Is; this is a siksa function! All can do! It seems few understand that there is a siksa and a diksa guru possible. We can all be siska from any position, of varying qualities. This explanatrion resolves the paradox, so it must be taken as correct. It ALSO jives with Srila Prabhupada’s actually ACTIVITES.

    So, all those currently residing in Prabhupada’s temples and dictating to their Godbrothers, and in turn being dictated to by rubber-stampers, should be aware that they are in violtaion of sadhu and sastra. Sastra says only utthama adhikaris are acceptable, and they should never be in a position to be corrected by others. Srila Prbhupada left Gaudiya Maths. It is simple for the simple, but complicated by all the excuses of the duplicitous. HK

    YS Tamoharadasa (ACBSP)

  3. Tamoharadasa says:

    A few relevant quotes, to back up my letter; Haribol!

    Srila Prabhupada; “All of my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I–one–may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It’s not that I’ll give an order: “Here is the next leader.” Anyone who follows the previous leadership is a leader… All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don’t want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who follows is perfect.” (SP BTG Vol. 13, No. 1-2)

    April 22.77. Prabhupada: People complained against [a GBC for trying to appear as a guru]. …You become guru, but you must be QUALIFIED FIRST of all. THEN you become. …What is the use of producing some RASCAL GURU?
    Tamala Krishna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear fact that we are all condiioned souls, so we CANNOT be gurus. Maybe someday it may be possible….
    Prabhupada: Hmm.
    Tamala Krishna: …but not now.
    Prabhupada: Yes. I shall produce some gurus. I SHALL SAY who is guru, ‘NO you become acharya, You become authorized.’
    I retire completely. But the training must be COMPLETE.
    Tamala Krishna: The process of purification must be there. …No rubber stamp.
    Prabhupada: You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to be guru. A small temple and “guru.” What kind of guru?

    Srila Prabhupada: We haven’t got to manufacture. To manufacture ideas is troublesome. Why should we take the trouble? And as soon as you want to manufacture something to my…., that is DANGEROUS. …That you are singing every day, “what our guru has said, that is our life and soul.” …As soon as this POISON will come -suppress guru and I become Brahman- everything FINISHED. Spiritual life is finished. Gaudiya Matha finished, …VIOLATED the orders of Guru Maharaja.

    …And as soon as you manufacture, fall down. This manufacturing idea is very, very dangerous in spiritual life. …Our mission is to serve bhakta visesa and live with devotees. NOT THAT YOU TAKE THE PLACE OF GURU. THAT IS NONSENSE, VERY DANGEROUS. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become AMBITIOUS to TAKE THE PLACE of GURU-gurusuh nara matih. That is MATERIAL DISEASE.

    Thank you! Tamoharadasa (not the GBC)

  4. Gaurasundar Das says:

    “I wish that each and every Branch shall keep their independent identity and cooperate keeping the Acarya in the centre. On this principle we can open any number of Branches all over the world. The Ramakrishna mission works on this principle and thus as organization they have done wonderfully.”SPletter to Kirtanananda 67-02-11

  5. ronaldo says:

    after reading all of the excuses that devotees give for APPOINTING/VOTING in unqualified gurus..I wonder how they miss points like the one im about to submit as stated by Srila Prabhupada..For myself i do not need any other proof than this as to what Srila Prabhupada wanted,,,so here it is;;; letter from Srila Prabhupada. ‘So it is becoming very expensive to send so many sets of beads ,such long distance, and it has been little bothersome to me also,so i think now you may be APPOINTED by ME to give first initiation to new disciples by chanting on their beads on MY behalf. In america kirtananda swami is doing that . So now if there are two of you that will give me great releif. Kirtanananda will chant on the beads for new devotees in america,canada, like that ; you can chant on the beads for the european continents new disciples. THEY SHALL OF COURSE BE CONSIDERED AS MY DISCIPLES ,NOT THAT THEY SHALL BECOME YOUR DISCIPLES BUT YOU WILL BE EMPOWERED BY ME TO CHANT ON THEIR BEADS AND THAT IS THE SAME EFFECT OF BINDING MASTER AND DISCIPLE AS IF I WERE PERSONALLY CHANTING. They may continue to send me the letters of request along with the presidents recommendation , and i shall give them a name and it will be entered by my secretary in our records. I will send my letter of reply to you and you will purchase beads there and chant on them and send,along with my letter to the new initiates..Is that alright? Ishall continue to deal with the matter of second initiations . The sacred threads do not require so much postage to send airmail. [SPL to Revatinandana,January 4, 1973].

  6. jacquelyn fairchild says:

    aloha,

    I personally saw written documents stating that the “Gurus” were to become a “governing body” of Srila Prabhupada’s Trust he left behind for all. They were to act as a group, not as individuals. Like the Supreme Court, no pun intended! To interpret the law as appropriate to time and circumstance.
    They were to act as teachers of Vedic Philosophy and to help others to become devotees of Lord Krishna. Only in Srila Prabhupadas’ name could they make devotees. As Srila Prabhupadas’ devotees, not theirs. They were there mostly to keep the Trust going. J.

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