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Women–Materially Speaking–Are Less Intelligent than Men

When we speak of differences between the genders we are only speaking of the material differences. Spiritually there are no differences. But in the body and the material mind and intelligence there ARE real differences between the sexes. Many of these differences have been verified by different university studies…

Ragunath Prabhuji,

Thank you for sending me your posts.

While there is much merit to what you say, and you have good motive for what you say, I do hope you are not offended by me offering my different view. I am not in full agreement with you on these topics. There are valid reasons. I ask that you try to consider the reasons before making misjudgments.

Not all men who may espouse that “materially”, in the mundane view, men are by nature more intelligent then women, are all misguided fallen souls entrenched in their male egos, who delight in suppressing and taking advantage of those who are far below their lofty superior being.

Nor did many of these devotee men come to KC with these mundane ideas, simply not been able to shake them off in favor of the higher transcendental knowledge of spiritual equality. But, rather, it is Srila Prabhupada and Vedic scripture and culture itself that teaches us BOTH the material differences AND the spiritual equality.

The science of Daivi-Varnashram-Dharma is to understand and act, where needed, on the platform of Spiritual Equality, and yet also, side-by-side, to also understand that materially there are differences and that society must recognize and accommodate those differences when and where needed.

There must be a full and proper understanding of Both sides.

The soul is neither male or female (ultimately female in relation to Krsna). Neither is the soul brahman, ksatriya, vaishya or sudra. Yet, for purpose of “managing” the society, Vedic culture, Krsna, and SP, all make distinction between the classes. VAD. On one side Krsna teaches in Gita that the transcendental sage sees equally (SPIRITUAL Vision) the brahman, cow, dog, dog-eater, etc., on the other hand Krsna teaches that it is He who has created the system of VA – dividing society into 4 varnas and 4 ashrams according to one’s MATERIAL qualities. A transcendental sage sees with equal vision – only on the Spiritual platform. But at the same time he teaches and guides society to adopt and follow the social system of divisions, VAD – which DISCRIMINATES based on our MATERIAL qualities.

There have been deep rooted social problems in iskcon’s fledging society. No doubt. Problems stemming from both imperfect spiritual vision and improper knowledge and maturity on how to view and engage the material differences. But, really, it isn’t that big of a deal. The problem is not that the system is too hard to implement or to difficult to grasp. The problem has been with either our being too near sighted in vision and not seeing the obvious, or in being overly intelligent and thinking the system is far more complex then it is.

The problem has been how to balance both the transcendental vision with the practical managment of the material differences. Those who use the material differences to supress others, abuse others, take advantage of others are obviously lacking in spiritual vision. On the other hand, those who try to manage the external material dealings of social intercourse by ignoring the material differences and classes and try to artificially make a classless society are also lacking in Vedic vision and insight. Krsna taught us that HE has created the system of VAD and all great acharyas, including SP, have taught that society will function, on the material level, best, only when this system of VAD is recognized and followed. It is a balance of BOTH spiritual vision of spiritual equality mixed with discrimination based on material qualities.

This is where I see we disagree – and correct me if i am wrong. But, in your essay all i am seeing is argument for the Spiritual Vision side of the equation. Prabhuji, I have also been studying VAD – especially social DHARMA aspect of it – for way over 15-18 yrs. I have studied the Vedabase as well as compared notes with the Manu Samhita, etc. and SP’s teaching always included this balance of seeing equal spirit souls along with discriminating according to material qualities and engaging according to those material differences. He taught both things, and both sides must be there for society to go on nicely. The whole basis of VAD is to discriminate and classify according to material qualities.

Maybe some devotees lacked in the spiritual vision – understanding of spiritual equality aspects and driven and controlled by their false egos misused Vedic teachings of discrimination to take advantage of women, children, etc. However, all that i am able to gather from your writing is the Equal Vision, with no balance of material discrimination. Society cannot be managed under such a classless system. Not even Iskcon, an institution designed to teach spiritual knowledge and values, because it is functioning within this material world. Too many of the members are still very much conditioned souls. It is not possible to properly manage a “material” society (which the ashrams and varnas are all apart of the material aspects, discriminating via varna and ashrama – that is all material discrimination, the soul is not brahmana or sudra, nor brahmacari or grhasta) based only on equal vision of the soul. There must be a mature balance, and i do not see that at all in your writing.

You want to portray your essay as being “Krsna Conscious” – so i would assume that you mean that it is in-line with the teachings of Srila Prabhupad, however, your views do not reflect the proper teachings and understanding of SP’s teachings. You have made a mockery of the idea that materially speaking women are not as intellectual as men. Where as Srila Prabhupad has many times made this discrimination. When we are speaking of such differences between the genders we are only speaking of the material differences, the differences that the conditioning of the material bodies place on us. Obvioiusly, spiritually there are no differences. But, bodily, and that includes also the material mind and intelligence, there ARE real differences between the sexes. Many of these differences have been, at various times, verified and recognized by different university studies in modern times. I do not have the references, but I read (nearly 4-5 yrs ago) that for many years there has been a large vacuum of women in the upper medical fields. Most all (if not all) heart surgeons are male, neurological surgeons, etc., mostly all male. This “unfair” discrimination was noted years ago, and so the universities undertook many programs to try and close the gender gap. Also, the same was found in the higher degrees of quantum physics, etc. There was a serious imbalance of men to women. Many efforts were made to close the gap. In fact, a coordinated effort of all leading medical universities in the nation was made to do ‘something’ about this. So, for many years they set quotas so that many more women would be admitted to the higher courses then men, this was done in an attempt to turn out more women so that the numbers of men and women would become more equal. In doing this many men who met all the qualifications were, for years, kept out of the classes and courses for these higher, and tougher, studies.

The result after many years of such efforts? Still, very very few women have made it. I can’t recall if there are yet any women heart surgeons, at least it is very few if any. Why? Because the women could not complete the courses. They fried out along the way. The courses were too hard – to much intellectual information. Studies were done, but these are kept QUITE so as to not be used against the colleges for being sexists, but what was found was that women were just not able to grasp and compete side by side with men in such demanding intellectual studies.

In fact, in the higher learning of physics many of the men who were doing well in their grades still ‘partied’ on the weekends and would take off time for sports or leisure activities, yet during the fewer hours they studied were able to assimilate far more and to greater depths. While, most all of the women taking such courses had to tune out all other social activities, took no leisure time, simply had to dedicate 100% of their full time and effort into their studies just to try and keep up with the pace and depth of studies their male counterparts were able to do with less time and effort expended. As soon as the women took time off and social breaks, as the men did, their comprehension of the higher course material dropped significantly. What happened is the women simply “burnt out”. Once they burned out, they would be forced to drop out from the higher med classes (or higher physics).

But, because the universities were working conjointly to give most of the seats to women in the classes, and most of them fried out and dropped out, what has happened is a shortage of higher educated doctors now exists.

Anyway, the point is that there are many such evidences that when it comes to in-depth intellectual understandings women and men have Different material abilities. Is that so hard to accept? Our bodies are different. Our breasts are different, our sex organs are different, our emotional balance is different, our aggressive or meek behavior is different. All these differences are caused by the bodily covering. In fact, some are chemical. Male and female bodies produce different levels of hormones that cause many of these differences. When women are given large quantities of testosterone for long periods – after a while they grow hair on their faces, their voices deepen to that of a male, and they become less “emotional”, more logic oriented, more decisive, more assertive and aggressive. Take them off the testosterone, and they revert back to their feminine nature. Give men large doses of estrogen and their breasts will grow and develop like that of women, their voices go higher and sound like a woman, and they become more emotionally sensitive, making decisions on sentimental ‘feeling’ rather than logic. They become less assertive, less aggressive, more dependent, emotionally, on others, etc. These are REAL differences between men and women. And, what causes these differences is the body, the glands that excrete the hormones are different, and those hormones cause these very REAL and documented differences between men and women.

This is all Material, it has to do with the body only, but it is REAL. The differences exist. Since we are embodied in this material world, Vedic science teaches that we must recognize these material differences and organize society so that it can function with the least friction. To ignore this shows a total lack of understanding of what VAD is all about.

Many many times SP pointed out the material differences between men and women. Often times noting that the woman are less intelligent.

“O son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth-women, vaisyas [merchants] as well as sudras [workers]-can approach the supreme destination.” Women are considered on the same platform with sudras, and although a woman may be married to a brahmana, she is not given the sacred thread. It is also said that the Mahabharata was compiled by Vyasadeva because the direct Vedic knowledge could not be understood by women, sudras and dvija-bandhus, those who are born in brahmana families but are not qualified brahmanas. Stri-sudra-dvijabandhunam traye na sruti-gocara (Bhag. 1.4.25). Consequently Mahabharata is called the fifth Veda. The four preceding Vedas are the Sama, Yajur, Rg and Atharva. The essence of Vedic knowledge, Bhagavad-gita, is given within the Mahabharata. Women are inferior to men, and Vedic civilization is so perfect that men are given full charge of the women. It is therefore said: matu priya-cikirsaya. The son is always ready to see that the mother is not unhappy. Kapiladeva was anxious that His mother not feel the absence of His father, and He was ready to take the best care of her and give her knowledge.

Because women are supposed to be less intelligent, they should be given knowledge, and they should also follow this knowledge. They should follow their father’s instructions, their husband’s instructions and the instructions of their grown, scholarly sons like Kapiladeva. In this way, their lives can be perfect. In all cases, women should always remain dependent.(REF. TLK Vs 5)

When it comes to Bhakti – love of God, yes, both men and women embodied souls can take up the bhakti marg. It is not that women are not allowed to become devotees of Krsna. But, when it comes to social intercourse, to marriage and social duties, to management and leadership of society, then there is discrimination based on sex so that society can be managed smoothly.

Mrs. Wax: Could a woman be a temple president?
Prabhupada: Yes, why not?
Mrs. Wax: Glad to hear it.
Prabhupada: But because women are less intelligent, they should remain dependent on first-class father, first-class husband, and first-class son. Then she is first-class. That is the injunction. Woman should remain dependent in childhood upon first-class father, in youthhood upon first-class husband, and in old age upon first-class son. Woman is never independent. If she becomes independent, her life is not very good. She must agree to remain dependent on first-class father, first-class husband, and first-class son-three stages. ============ REF. Room Conversation with Mr. & Mrs. Wax, Writer and Editing Manager of Playboy Magazine — July 5, 1975, Chicago

The woman asking is very much feminist – into equal rights. She asks if a woman ‘can’ become a TP, and SP answers, “yes, why not?” She is glad to hear. Now that SP has got her to drop her defense and accept, SP immediately cuts to the fact that (materially speaking) “women are less intelligent” and because of this, they should remain dependent on a man. If she becomes independent that is not very good. So, how can a woman be dependent on a man and stll be a TP?

Queen Kunti was very qualified vaishnavi, but when Pandu, her husband died, she did not take over the kingdom, but placed herself under the care of the elder men of the family until her sons were old enough, then she placed herself under her sons. Always dependent on a male, never independent.

So many times SP has taught that women are, materially speaking, in general, less intelligent of the sexes. Is this a put-down on women? No. Should it be used to supress them? NO But, It MUST be used to PROTECT them. In pointing out that women are less intelligent, or the weaker of the sexes, or more easily misled, SP often stressed that this means that women must be PROTECTED. A sober man, a man of moral integrity, raises to the occasion of to take protect those who are dependent on him (I would have said, to protect those ‘under’ him, but felt you would take that as too chauvinistic).

A king’s duty is to protect those under his rule. A father’s duty is to protect his dependents, his children, and to protect his submissive wife.

When we speak of the sexes we can’t leave out marriage. Marriage in KC does not mean equal rights – I am equal spiritual soul and so are you, so lets both have equal say in all matters. NO. That is no way to manage anything. In work, companies, there must be a person who is in charge. In family there must be a designated person to take ultimate charge, ultimate responsibility. It is the only way an army can function, or a successful company, or a successful marriage. If there are no clear cut and understood, accepted and followed system of hierarchy, the marriage will end up failing.

There are SO MANY reasons why women MUST take to the submissive, even subservient, role in a marriage. For instance, raising children. Children need to see a clear leader – an distinctive authority, in their very early lives. Male voices are deep and commanding. Women’s voices are higher pitched and simply don’t carry the weight or authority. It is by Krsna’s divine arrangement. The mother tells the children do this, do that, they don’t really take mother seriously half the time. But, when father says it, they act. I saw this documented on TV some years back. Researchers found children who were raised in home where there was full effort made to not discriminate on sex, or boys raised without fathers in the home. Children, by nature, responded differently to male and female voices. (Also, at less then 1 boys and girls – on their own – develop very distinct female or male characteristics). For example, one lady’s husband left her before her son was born, he was 8 and had only been under his mother’s care. Still, when she told him to clean his room, he always ignored her, but her brother (the boy’s uncle) came over, he would ask one time, bam, the kid does it. So, on camera the boy was asked why? He said because he just doesn’t like girls, even his own mother, to tell him anything. But, when his uncle tells him, he feels he has to do it – he didn’t know why, but he knows if a man tells him, he just has to do it. But, it is proven, for children the father, the man’s voice, it commands respect.

So, if the woman takes to the submissive role in the family, and she submissively serves her husband and treats him with the greatest of respect – something magical happens. The children automatically respect “Authority” – not just their own father, but they respect authority in general. Where as if the women is belligerent and shows a lack of respect for her husband, does not see him as authority over her, but tries to share equal, the children do not have the same respect for authority.

And, even though it seems nice for some to think that women and men should treat each other equally, this is not what SP teaches in respect to husbands and wives. The wife must take to the submissive position. When women can do this, so many marriages will be saved.

Trying to make men and women equal on the material level is ARTIFICIAL, and as such it is doomed to failure. Spiritually, on the spiritual level, we are absolutely equal. But, as soon as you speak of Men and Women you are no longer talking about the spirit soul, but the material body, and the male and female are NOT equal, they are DIFFERENT. Is one greater and one lesser, yes, materially. But, it has be to balanced. Is a brahman superior to a sudra? Yes, materially speaking. But, the two can still be vaishnav and both are equal spirit souls. But, for the functioning of society, the Head is more valuable to society then the foot. One can live, not nicely, but one can live without legs, but one will die without a head. Legs are important, but the head is superior. Sudras are needed in society, but a brahman is superior. This is Material. Women have their duty, and their roles are absolutely essential to society, but men do have the duties to take the materially superior leadership roles in society.

Reporter: Are men regarded as superior to women?
Prabhupada: Yes, naturally. Naturally, woman requires protection by the man. In the childhood she is protected by the father, and youth time she is protected by the husband, and old age she is protected by elderly sons. That is natural. Female
Reporter: That goes against the thinking of a lot of people in America now. Do you know that?
Prabhupada: No… America, maybe, but this is the natural position. Women require protection.=========== REF. Interview — March 5, 1975, New York

Woman Reporter: Where do women fit into these four classes?
Prabhupada: That I already explained. Women’s position is subordinate to man. So if the man is first-class, the woman is first-class. If the man is second-class, the woman is second-class. If the man is third-class, the woman is third-class. In this… Because woman is meant for assisting man, so the woman becomes suitable according to the man, her husband.
Woman Reporter: Would you say that women are inferior to men?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Woman Reporter: Why?
Prabhupada: By physiological condition. Just like you are. Your bodily features are different from the man’s features. You cannot deny it. So according to the bodily features, the psychological condition and everything is there. How you can deny it?
Woman Reporter: Do you think that I am inferior to you?
Prabhupada: It is not the question of inferior or superior. Different. Now you take one inferior or superior. That is your calculation. But the bodily features are different. That is material. But spiritually, they are all one. Materially… Just like your bodily feature and a man’s bodily feature is different. Now, so far question of inferior, superior, that is your calculation. But we say that by nature, a woman and man is different.
Woman Reporter: What does this mean as far as whether women can do the same things that men can do, or whether women can lead people?
Prabhupada: Well, women can bear children, but the man cannot. Is it possible to bear children? A man can become pregnant? Is it possible?
Woman Reporter: No.
Prabhupada: Physically… Therefore there are so many things which is possible in man and which is not possible in woman, by nature. How you can say that they are of the same nature?
Woman Reporter: I’m not saying they’re the same. What can…
Prabhupada: Then if you not saying that, then they are different in their physiological condition. So now this physiological condition, you may calculate, “This is better, this is better.” That is your calculation. Our calculation is the man and woman are different in their physiological condition.
Woman Reporter: But you say women are subordinate to men.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is also natural. Because when the husband and wife are there or the father and daughter is there, so the daughter is subordinate to the father and the wife is subordinate to the husband.
Woman Reporter: What happens when women are not subordinate to men?
Prabhupada: Then there is disruption. There is disruption, social disruption. If the woman does not become subordinate to man, then there is social disruption. Therefore, in the western countries there are so many divorce cases because the woman does not agree to become subordinate to man. That is the cause.
Woman Reporter: What advice do you have to women who do not want to be subordinate to men?
Prabhupada: It is not my advice, but it is the advice of the Vedic knowledge that woman should be chaste and faithful to man.
Woman Reporter: What should we do in the United States? We’re trying to make women equal with men.
Prabhupada: I am not trying. You are already not equal with the man because in so many respects, your functions are different and man’s functions are different. Why do you say artificially they are equal? As I told you that the husband and wife-the wife has to become pregnant, not the husband. How you can change this, both the husband and wife will be pregnant? Is it possible? Is it possible?
Woman Reporter: No, it is not.
Prabhupada: Then by nature one has to function differently from the other.
Woman Reporter: But why does this mean…?
Prabhupada: So how you can change?
Woman Reporter: Why does this mean that women have to be subordinate?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Woman Reporter: Just because they bear children and men can’t?
Prabhupada: Well, by nature… No, as soon as you get children, you require support from the husband. Otherwise you are in difficulty.
Woman Reporter: Many women have children and have no support from husbands. They have no husband.
Prabhupada: Then they have to take support from others. You cannot deny that. The government is giving you support. But the government is embarrassed. If the husband supports the wife and children, the government is relieved of so much welfare contribution. So that is a problem.
Woman Reporter: What happens when women support men?
Prabhupada: First of all try to understand that you depend. The… After man and woman unite, there is children, and the man goes away, and you are embarrassed. The woman is embarrassed. Why? Why this is, is made possible? A man and woman unites, and the woman becomes pregnant, and the husband goes away. Then the poor woman is embarrassed with the child. She has to beg from the government. So do you think it is very nice thing? The Vedic idea is that woman should be married to a man and the man should take charge of the woman and the children independently so that they do not become a burden to the government or to the public.
Woman Reporter: Do you think the social unrest…
Prabhupada: I am thinking like this. You give me the answer. Simply you go on questioning. I question you, do you think this burden to the government or the public is good?
Woman Reporter: I don’t understand what you’re saying. Nitäi: Do you think that the burden caused when the husband goes away from the wife, that burden to the government is good?
Woman Reporter: No.
Prabhupada: So that has happened. Because the woman does not agree to be subordinate-she wants equal freedom-so the husband goes away and the woman is embarrassed with the children. And it becomes a burden to the government.
Woman Reporter: Is there anything wrong when the woman works?
Prabhupada: There are so many things wrong. But first thing is the wife, the woman, the wife of somebody, and the child born by somebody, they should become burden to the government or to the public. First of all answer this thing. Why she should become burden to the government? What is your answer? Do you think, from social point of view, this position of woman and the fatherless children are very nice thing? No.
Woman Reporter: What I’m trying to say is that… This may happen to some women. I’m talking about women who are not…
Prabhupada: Not… These are the general cases. You cannot say, “some.” I see in America mostly the woman…
Woman Reporter: Oh, then what you’re saying is not all women should be subordinate to all men.
Prabhupada: No, woman should be subordinate to the man, so that the man can take charge of the woman. Then that woman is not a problem to the public.
Woman Reporter: Is it true for all woman and all men?
Prabhupada: Yes, that is the nature. You take even in the dogs. The dogs they also take care of their children. The tigers, they take care of the children. So in the human society, if the woman is made pregnant and the man goes away and she is embarrassed, she has to beg from the government, that is not a very good situation.
Woman Reporter: What about women who do not have children?
Prabhupada: Well, that is also another unnatural thing. Sometimes they use contraceptives. They kill children, abortion. That is also not very good. These are all sinful activities. These are sinful activities, to kill child in the womb. And take shelter of abortion. These are all sinful activities. One has to suffer for that.
Woman Reporter: Is the social unrest in this country caused because…
Prabhupada: Because of these things. They do not know that.
Woman Reporter: And if women were subordinate to men, it would solve all of our problems?
Prabhupada: Yes. Man wants that woman should be subordinate, faithful to him. Then he is ready to take charge. The man’s mentality, woman’s mentality different. So if the woman agrees to remain faithful and subordinate to man, then the family life will be peaceful.
Woman Reporter: Thank you. It’s late. …
Woman Reporter: You have different schools for men and women, is that correct?
Prabhupada: Yes. Man is regulated to become a first-class man, and woman is regulated to become very chaste and faithful wife.
Woman Reporter: There is one more question.
Prabhupada: Then the life will be very successful. And marriage, compulsory. Marriage, compulsory.
Woman Reporter: Everyone should marry?
Prabhupada: Yes. Every woman, at least, should be married. Therefore, according to Vedic conception, polygamy is allowed.
Woman Reporter: Is allowed?
Prabhupada: Yes. Because every woman must be married. But every man may not be married. Therefore man has to accept more than one wife.
Woman Reporter: There is one question I have for you. You say that a woman’s brain is smaller than a man’s.
Prabhupada: Woman? Nitäi: Woman’s brain is smaller than a man’s brain.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is a fact. In the history there is no woman who is a big philosopher, a big mathematician, big scientist, big educationist. We don’t find. They were all men.
Woman Reporter: What about women who are leaders of countries such as your own country?
Prabhupada: Well, according to Vedic conception woman is never offered leadership. But experience has shown that woman’s leadership has not been successful.
Woman Reporter: Do you think Mrs. Gandhi’s leadership has not been successful?
Prabhupada: Well, there is already trouble. There are many big, big men, they do not agree with her and she has taken emergency steps. So on the whole, the country is in trouble.
Woman Reporter: What about Mrs. Meir, president of Israel?
Prabhupada: I do not say of any particular woman, but according to Vedic civilization, we have never seen in the history that woman has become a leader. ============ REF. Television Interview — July 9, 1975, Chicago

SP has spoken many times about how and why women should be trained to take the submissive (subordinate) role in marriage and in society. SP said, specifically, that when women refuse to accept this what is the result:

Woman Reporter:
What happens when women are not subordinate to men?
Then there is disruption. There is disruption, social disruption. If the woman does not become subordinate to man, then there is social disruption. Therefore, in the western countries there are so many divorce cases because the woman does not agree to become subordinate to man. That is the cause.”

3-4 times SP repeated, there will be social disruption. Divorce is caused by women not taking to the submissive position. Divorce = break up of family, children suffer the most in a broken home, a broken family. Remarriage is unchaste for women. Children become unwanted and all of society degrades.

But, if women take up the submissive duty and roles in marriage and society, then what is the result:

Woman Reporter:
Is the social unrest in this country caused because…

Because of these things. They do not know that.

Woman Reporter:
And if women were subordinate to men, it would solve all of our problems?

Yes. Man wants that woman should be subordinate, faithful to him. Then he is ready to take charge. The man’s mentality, woman’s mentality different. So if the woman agrees to remain faithful and subordinate to man, then the family life will be peaceful.”

All social unrest is due to this one thing, women not taking to the subordinate social position.

This is all material consideration, but we are speaking of material society, how it functions. It is no more or less material then the Varnas and Ashrams. The soul is not sudra or brahman, but we discriminate by such classes for the smooth functioning of the social body, which is material.

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26 Responses to Women–Materially Speaking–Are Less Intelligent than Men

  1. RD says:


    Few questions

    1. Do you support and recognize all the studies conducted by these universities or just the ones that you like and seem to support your theory?
    2. You seem to draw a comparison between women and men in a certain field for example medical or quantum physics etc. How about comparing a woman who is one of the best in the medical field vs a man who is hardly able to keep up with basic education.

    Do any of you intelligent men in ISCKON have the intelligence and ability to govern an entire country like the US?

    • Hare Krishna RD.

      It is a fact that women are materially less intelligent than men. That is established and accepted by any thoughtful person. Scientists explain that woman’s brains are considerably smaller than men’s brains. But more important than the size the composition of a woman’s brain is very different from the composition of a man’s brain. A man has a lot of ‘grey matter’ in his brain and this gives him his ability of analytical thought. A woman, on the other hand, has very little grey matter in her brain, instead she has a lot of white matter. The scientists tell us that this white matter can be used for memory. So a woman may have very good memory but she does not have the abilities for analytical thought that a man has.

      Currently the modern education system is geared towards women, not men. It is all based on memory. They give lectures and request the students to read and then at the exams if one can remember and repeat what he has heard then they give good marks. There is virtually no need for analytical thinking at all to excel in today’s schools and colleges. So because women, by dint of the white matter in their brains, have good memories, they can do very well in modern education. Men, on the other hand, may not have as good memory, but they have the ability of analytical thinking. The problem for men is modern education does not require or test analytical thinking…

      Intelligence is not memory, the ability to recall what one has heard in the past and repeat it. Intelligence is analytical thinking, the ability to assess a situation and solve problems that one has not encountered before. That is where men excel.

      So you can not use modern education to compare men and women. Modern education is designed for women, it is only testing memory. Which is not at all intelligence. Men with intelligence but less memory will not do well in modern education, women with memory but without intelligence will do better than them, because modern education tests memory, not intelligence.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  2. Jai Radhe says:

    Hare krishna prabhu,

    I am not able to find any good devotee husband for myself in ISKCON. What should i do in this case? Currently my father is looking after me.

    • ISKCON is useless. These days they do not attract real devotees generally. Of course some nice devotees are there. But you have to realize everyone is a devotee, they have just forgotten. So just ask your father to arrange for some husband for you. That is the way. Let your father organize it. Not that you will select your husband. Let your father select someone. And just become a pure devotee yourself. Cook nice offerings for Srila Prabhupada and Krishna and feed your husband and your family and by your sincere devotional service your husband and your family will become nice devotees of Krishna.

  3. Ann says:

    I remember reading somewhere that SP had given sanction to a woman brahmacari ashram. If this is not false, then it is true that a devotee woman can remain as bramhacari throughout her life?

    • Hare Krishna Ann

      No. Brahmacary is for men, not for women. Women have to get married. A woman needs to be protected by a man. So it is not possible to have a woman’s brahmacari ashram.

      As far as Srila Prabhupada is of course very merciful and really was only concerned that his disciples were strictly chanting at least 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra every day and strictly following the four regulative principles and rising early every morning before 4:00 AM and attending Mangal-Aroti and having the daily Bhagavatam class and going out daily on Sankirtana [distributing his books and publicly chanting the Hare Krishna maha mantra]. He was very concerned that the temples be kept very clean and that the regular work go on nicely.

      But as far as the various things the devotees wanted to do as long as the did not conflict with these basic main points he was very flexible. So Yamuna and maybe some other ladies wanted to start this female ashram but Srila Prabhupada was not very hopeful about this. He said the ladies will fight with each other. They can not manage actually without men. It is unnatural. Impossible actually.

      So the whole idea is crazy. Of course ISKCON did invent the term ‘brahmacarini…’ but Srila Prabhupada did not approve of this idea.

      There is no such thing as a woman brahmacari, it is not possible for a woman. It is for men.

      A woman needs to be protected by a man. In her childhood she is protected by her father, when she gets married she is protected by her husband, and when she is old she is protected by her grown up sons. So a woman is always protected. Without protection she will be exploited and that is what we see happening in today’s society.

  4. Kayla A says:

    Another attempt by religion, to downgrade women to a lesser place in society. Religion is expert at keeping social order, this is a fact.

    This is simple brainwashing, discouragement. If a religion, says it’s so, the people lose their ability to think rationally and objectively. T hey follow dogma instead of being leaders to debunk such faultiness.

    It’s hilarious really, how so many Westerns , have taken to these Eastern Religions, thinking they are about equality and fairness. Not, they are more sexist or as sexist as fundamentalist Christianity.

    BTW I have a degree in Math and Comp Sci BS and MS. People are individuals, the genders do not think differently, that is a social construct.

    • Hare Krishna Kayla

      You are greatly mistaken. Men and women think in a completely different way. This is even accepted by modern science. Men have a large amount of what science calls ‘grey matter’ in their brains. So this is the ‘brain substance’ they think with. Women on the other hand have very little grey matter in their brains. Instead they have more of what science calls ‘white matter’. Which is good for memory. So women can be very good at memory. They can remember a lot of facts and figures and regurgitate them, giving the illusion of intelligence. But they have very little grey matter so they can not really process the information very well. They don’t have the intelligence of a man but they may have better memory than a man.

      So now the modern so-called education system is simply based on remembering and regurgitating the subject matter. So it is skewed towards the abilities of a female brain. Therefore women can do very well in this modern so-called education system. But it is not actually an education system. It does to teach people to think and does not test or measure intelligence. It is only testing and measuring the ability to remember and regurgitate information. So success in modern education is not a measure of intelligence. It is the sign of a good memory, which has nothing to do with intelligence.

      The idea that men and women are the same is insane. Men and women are very different from the material point of view. If the society is to be in any way functional this difference between men and women has to be acknowledged and respected. The confusion of gender since the 60’s in Western society has been the primary cause of the downfall of the Western society. This gender confusion has to be rectified if there is going to be any progress at all.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  5. Robert D Lang says:

    All religion is clearly mislead. Christianity has this stance on women as well. I once attended a Baptist church where the men had a clear superiority complex. To no avail could I help them. they simply thought of me as a man , not able to be a “man”.

    My wife is a mathematician and computer scientist, I’m a financial advisor, so we are clearly an equal couple on all levels. A happy atheist and male feminist.

    • In this age many man have become less intelligent like women so sometimes today it becomes equal…

    • Jack D. says:

      Women are without doubt less intelligent then men. By this I don’t mean that they have less calculative abilities than a man. I mean that there natural inclination is towards materialism. By intelligence I mean the ability to understand things as they actually are, the ability to perceive all living entities as factually equal on the spiritual platform.
      Even a calculator is “intelligent” for the unintelligent. It can perform calculations faster than any man with much accuracy.
      But a calculator isn’t wise. It knows no purpose, mere processing and accumulation of data isn’t intelligence.

      • Hare Krishna Jack

        Being in a woman’s body in no way disqualifies a person from making advancement in Krishna consciousness. In fact the woman’s lower intelligence can often be an advantage. They do not have the analytical mind of a man who wants always to philosophically and logically understand things, they have a natural faith in God, Krishna, and can very easily surrender to and serve Krishna. So in this sense, in coming to Krishna consciousness and surrendering to Krishna, sometimes women have an advantage.

        A man’s over-intelligent philosophical and logical approach may divert him from the simple thing of surrendering to and serving Krishna.

        As far as the woman’s brain even according to modern science it is smaller than an man’s brain. But there is another, more important factor, to consider. According to the Western scientists a man thinks with ‘grey matter’. A man’s brain has a lot of ‘grey matter’ but a woman’s brain has hardly any ‘grey matter’ or brain substance. Instead a woman has ‘white matter’ in her brain. And apparently, again according to the Western scientists, this ‘white matter’ can give the woman very good abilities to remember and recall things. So woman can have much better memories than men but they do not have the ‘grey matter’ for the analytical thought process.

        Nowadays the modern education system has been reduced to hearing information and repeating it. There is very little logic or thought required in modern eduction. If one can remember and repeat he can get good marks. No need for thinking. So this style of education is very much biased towards women. They can do very well in this memory-based education system. But they can not come close to matching the logical and philosophical abilities of a man’s brain.

        But as I said this is no disadvantage to taking to Krishna consciousness. Krishna consciousness does not depend on logic and philosophy. It depends on surrender and service.

        Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

        Madhudvisa dasa

  6. Elisabeth Read says:

    I am glad I found this site. With an opening line like \’women are not as intelligent as men”, I need look no further to make my decision that hindu thought, like standard christian and jewish thought, is run by men, for men and ALWAYS, even when appearances blind us to the truth, will include elements so that \’men\’ can say to women; “yes we are equal, just that men are more equal than women.” When including the cast system to keep the rich rich without a bad consciousness about the starving and the dying, it sounds like another massively flawed doctrine.

    • Hare Krishna Elizabeth

      The thing we have to understand is that we are not these material bodies. You are not a woman and I am not a man. We are eternal spirit souls trapped in material bodies. So on the spiritual platform there is no difference. So when one is acting on the spiritual platform in a man’s or a woman’s body, it makes no difference. On the spiritual platform there is no difference.

      But you have to admit that a man’s body and a woman’s body is different. And a woman’s body is naturally suited to different things than a man’s body is. This feminist idea that there is no difference between men and woman, on the material platform, is crazy. The natural thing is a man is strong and should protect and support his wife and family and the woman naturally has children and has the ability to care for the children and serve the husband.

      It is also true of course that woman and men think differently. Practically society can only function properly if the woman act as woman and the men act as men. Nowadays the women are trying to act like men and the men a confused and not interested in these woman trying to act like men and the whole social structure of the world has been destroyed by this crazy feminism.

      If woman would go back to acting as woman then 90% of the problems of the world would be immediately solved.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  7. madhudvisa says:

    Why don’t you worry about your own situation Prabhu. It is not so good to have the mind wandering around on all these theoretical things. Just concentrate on chanting at least 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra every day, strictly following the four regulative principles and reading Srila Prabhupada’s books at least 1-2 hours a day. Never miss doing all these things every day and you will be making solid advancement in Krishna consciousness. As far as the woman they need a bona fide spiritual master to let them know what to do in their particular situation. It is not for you to worry about. The situation has to be considered according to so many things in each individual case so why you are bothering your mind about it?

    Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

    Madhudvisa dasa

  8. Nithya says:

    Hare Krishna

    Thanks for the reply.

  9. Nithya says:

    If the man(father/husband/son) under whom the women is a non-devotee what the women is supposed to do, specifically when the women is intrested in krsna consiousness and the husband/father is not.

    • Hare Krishna Nithya

      There are two things, the material side and the spiritual side. So a woman needs to be under the protection of a man. In her youth that is her father, when she is married that is her husband and when she is older it is her grown sons. And on the spiritual side she has to be a pure devotee of Krishna.

      Now, in an ideal world, the husband or father, etc, will be a nice devotee of Krishna and will act as the natural guru for his wife or daughter and help her advance in Krishna consciousness.

      But in Kali-yuga we live in a world that is far from ideal. In Kali-yuga even if you are married to a supposed devotee husband you may well find he is actually not a devotee at all. This Kali-yuga is the age of quarrel and the age of hypocrisy. So the tendency is someone claims to be a devotee but is not a devotee actually at all. That is hypocrisy.

      So fortunately one can become Krishna conscious in any situation of life and Lord Caitanya does not recommend that we change our status of life, rather that wherever we are we should become Krishna conscious there.

      So my suggestion would be that you just practice Krishna consciousness in your current situation and become a pure devotee of Krishna and the association of a devotee is a very powerful thing. So if you become a nice devotee and if you cook nice offerings for Srila Prabhupada and Krishna then you can distribute the Krishna-prasadam to your husband or father and by taking Krishna prasadam and by hearing your chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra and by associating with you naturally your father or husband will gradually become more and more favorable towards Krishna consciousness and will ultimately become a devotee also.

      So this is the way. Just become Krishna conscious in whatever situation you find yourself in. Do not be very anxious to change your situation but understand that as you make advancement in Krishna consciousness Krishna will make many arrangements in your situation so that it becomes more favorable for your advancement in Krishna consciousness.

      We have to be very tolerant of others and very patient and determined in our execution of Krishna consciousness. And we have to expect that in the material world in Kali-yuga our path to spritual advancement will not always be a very smooth one.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

      • Nithya says:

        Hare Krishna

        Thanks for the reply.

      • Siobhan says:

        What if the non devotee husband causes the woman to not be Krishna Conscious? If he forbids her to practice? Does she behave in a subordinate manner and agree to his wishes and abandon her Krishna Consciousness , or does she disobey him – which is against SPs teachings?

        • Hare Krishna Slobhan

          Krishna consciousness can not be checked by any material impediments. If one wants to be Krishna conscious then no one can stop them from becoming Krishna conscious.

          The devotees’ service to Krishna is more important than her service to her husband so we can see from the examples of the gopis in Vrindavan that when Krishna was playing on His flute the gopis, some who had their husbands and families at home, went out to dance with Krishna.

          So every situation is unique. In reality I do not think there are many husbands who would actually forbid their wives from practicing Krishna consciousness particularly if they saw the wives were at the same time serving them nicely and cooking very nice bhoga and offering it to Krishna and feeding them the Krishna prasadam very respectfully.

          So a woman has to respect and serve her husband but her prime duty is to serve Krishna. In an ideal world there will be no conflict but this is not an ideal world and there will be so many problems.

          There is no point in theorizing on these things. If one is actually a devotee and actually surrendered to Krishna even though the husband may initially be not very favorable by Krishna’s mercy and by the power of associating with his devotee wife he will get purified and become more favorable as time goes on. So these things will be automatically adjusted if the wife is just patient and continues her service to both Krishna and her husband.

          Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

          Madhudvisa dasa

  10. Siddharth says:

    There is well defined system of Brahmacharya, Grihastha, Vanprastha and Sanyasa. Do this also applies for women too.

    If women are to be dependent on grown sons when the husband takes sanyasa, what is their path for self realization, as their aim should also be moksha.

    Please also let me know, if there are some books which elaborate the process which women should follow.

    I have another question on my mind that, what a woman should do if man is not following the right path, not doing right things, should she still remain dependent on that man? Because there are always people who are not following right path.

    • Hare Krishna

      Women should follow their husband.

      There is only life at home then grhastha life for women, there is no brahmacary or vanaprastha or sannyasa for women. If she agrees to renounce the worldly affairs and serve her husband as his assistant she can accompany her husband in the Vanaprastha ashram. But if the husband takes sannyasa then he has to go along and the women will take shelter of her grown sons.

      The position of a women is always to be protected by a man. In the beginning she is protected by her father, then he hands her over to suitable husband who protects her and if he takes sannyasa then her grown sons will protect her. So a women is never independent.

      A women is a servant of her husband and she assists him in his spiritual advancement and she also shares the results of that spiritual advancement. So a women advances in spiritual life by nicely serving her husband who is a nice devotee of Krishna.

      Of course that is a rather utopian system these days and for one reason or another many women find themselves unprotected or find the man they are with unable to protect them. So we are in rather difficult times. Therefore ultimately we are not the material body, we are not male and not female, we are all spirit souls, eternal servants of Krishna. So we can take a man’s body in one life and a women’s in the next. So spiritually the process is the same for everyone and Krishna consciousness is equally open to women as it is to men. So everything Srila Prabhupada teaches in his books is applicable to women as well as men. So in a women’s body you can chant at least 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra daily, you can follow the four regulative principles, you can rise early in the morning and offer Mangal Arati to Krishna and you can distribute Srila Prabhupada’s books to the fallen conditioned souls.

      So ultimately it does not matter what sort of body you are in, you can become Krishna conscious by following the instructions you find while reading Srila Prabhupada’s books.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  11. Caroline says:

    I’m not inferior to men. My brain is just as good as a man’s. When I get married, my husband and I will work equally to raise our kids and support the family.

    • rmanandhar01 . says:

      I like this idea, Caroline. Well done.

      Women are not inferior to men. Men and women are different by physiological and psychological standards. In this age of Kali Yuga, one must work to occupy his / her minds at all times. The empty mind is the mind for the devil.
      But, in terms of a spiritual perspective, I agree with SP that women need to be mutually agreeing, supportive and caring and lead a happy married life with her husband as opposed to the ‘western’ norm out there today.
      But what is most important is that if a woman is to be married, she must find a most ‘appropriate’ spiritual (god-loving) husband (i.e. First-class husband). In doing so, she gains good support and knowledge from him.
      No – times are different so women might not be able to devote all the time for raising child however, due diligence should be applied. Women has primary role in the child’s growth and should be supportive in that aspect. She can’t do more work than the husband and leave the child up to the husband to growing – This I think is what SP is trying to drive in the subject above but the choice of words seem to be inappropriate (i.e. superior / inferior NO but the word is different)

      Thank you for writing this,
      Hare Krsna


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