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The bound cannot help the bound

• Subject: The bound cannot help the bound
• From: Madhusoodan Prabhu
• Date: Mon Feb 26 13:45:19 1996
• Message-Id: id758

Dear Madhusoodan Prabhu



Hello. Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila 

Prabhupada!



Yes, Prabhupada approved of the books published when he was physically present. 

There may be the odd editing mistake here and there, but it is not a malicious 

attempt to change the message or to minimize the regulative principles, etc. 

They are honest mistakes and any sincere devotee will accept this. It is not a 

problem at all:



         tad-vag-visargo janatagha-viplavo

            yasmin prati-slokam abaddhavaty api

         namany anantasya yaso 'nkitani yat

            srnvanti gayanti grnanti sadhavah



"On that other hand that literature which is full of descriptions of the 

transcendental glories of the name, fame, form, pastimes, etc, of the Unlimited 

Supreme Lord is a different creation, full of transcendental words directed 

towards bringing about a revolution in the impious lives of the world's 

misdirected civilization. Such transcendental literatures, even though 

imperfectly composed, are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are 

thoroughly honest." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.11)



As for your discussion with Viasnava, I have received the following letters 

only:



Martin McNeill  02:47 PM 21/2/96 4k Re: Initiation and ISKCON's new system  [2]

Martin McNeill  03:18 PM 21/2/96 4k Re: Initiation and ISKCON's new system  [2]

Martin McNeill  03:19 PM 21/2/96 3k Re: Initiation and ISKCON's new system  [3]

Martin McNeill  03:52 PM 22/2/96 3k Copy of: the bound cannot help the bound



That is all I have received. Is there any more? 



In your letter after quoting Srila Prabhupada on "The bound cannot help the 

bound" you say:



"I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about this matter, I'm sure it is

clear to any intelligent person."



And that is a fact. But I have seen in preaching to the scientists and 

preaching to the Born-Again Christians and now preaching to the ISKCON devotees 

and even the ritvic devotees that if someone has a personal motivation for his 

sense gratification that overrides everything else. It doesn't matter if you 

have a perfectly logical argument and can completely defeat them from the point 

of view of logic and references from Srila Prabhupada and the sastra. They 

won't accept it. They just go on preaching their nonsense. That's one of the 

signs of the Kali-yuga, even if you completely defeat someone in a debate they 

will not give up their bogus ideas... Nor will they accept you are correct!! 

They won't accept anything that will interfere with their sense gratification 

or their plans to become "gurus" themselves.



"They believe that to gratify the senses unto the end of life is the prime 

necessity of human civilization. Thus there is no end to their anxiety. Being 

bound by hundreds and thousands of desires, by lust and anger, they secure 

money by illegal means for sense gratification." (Bhagavad-gita 16.11-12)



The difficult thing is such demoniac men preaching bogus, watered down 

philosophy to allow everyone to stay completely in maya and still be accepted 

as "Hare Krishna's" are popular with the demons!!! That's what they want to 

hear. So even though their logic is completely flawed, they have no support 

from Srila Prabhupada's books or the disciplic succession and it can be seen 

quite plainly in their lives they are not following the process of Krishna 

consciousness or exhibiting the symptoms of a devotee, such demons will gladly 

accept them as "spiritual masters" and worship them...



         gata-sangasya-muktasya jnavasthita-cetasah

         yajnayacaratah karma samagram praviliyate



"The work of a man who is unattached to the modes of material nature and who is 

fully situated in transcendental knowledge merges entirely into transcendence."



"Becoming fully Krishna conscious, one is freed from all dualities and then is 

free from the contamination of the material modes. He can become liberated 

because he knows his constitutional position in relationship with Krishna; and 

thus his mind cannot be drawn from Krishna consciousness. Consequently, 

whatever he does, he does for Krishna, who is the primeval Visnu. Therefore all 

his works are technically sacrifices because sacrifice involves satisfying the 

Supreme Person, Krishna. The resultant reactions to all such work certainly 

merge into transcendence, and one does not suffer material effects." 

(Bhagavad-gita 4.23)



Vaisnava has his own ideas, he is just trying to justify them by selecting a 

quote from here and a quote from there and misinterpreting them... It can be 

done of course, you can justify almost anything by picking a quote from here 

and a quote from there and if it means people can continue and be completely in 

maya and at the same time be respected as "gurus" and lead a bunch of foolish 

"disciples" then it will be popular with the demons. 



Srila Prabhupada often says this world is a world of the cheaters and the 

cheated. People want to be cheated! If you tell them to surrender to Krishna, 

chant Hare Krishna, follow the four regulative principles, etc, they are not 

very interested. But tell them, "The guru doesn't have to be liberated" and 

they will become a little interested. That means they can be a "guru" and at 

the same time continue their sex life and all other sinful activities...



Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!



Madhudvisa dasa

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