email@example.com (Sandra Russell) wrote: >In <firstname.lastname@example.org> >email@example.com (Matthew Scott) writes: >>God makes everything easy for us, just possible. No. Not always. We are sons of God. God is great and we are small. So we have the same qualities as God but He is unlimited and we are very small. So he is completely independent therefore we are also independent, but not completely... God is supremely independent and we have a little independence. So we can use our independence to do whatever we want to. We can serve God or we can serve our selves... But if we serve ourselves we have to suffer and enjoy the results of our activities... Even the Bible says, "What you sow so shall you reap." So if we are sinful we sow sinful seeds in our hearts and in the future we "reap" suffering as the result. So we cause our own suffering... Sometimes God makes it hard for His devotees as well. Just look at Lord Jesus Christ. His life wasn't exactly a bed of roses. There are so many examples of saintly people suffering in their attempts to tell people about God... Because generally people don't like it, they want to be God themselves, so when you tell them there is someone more powerful than them, someone to whom they should surrender and serve, the get angry... But what can be done about that? If a devotee is still attached to material things God may take them all away from him so he instead becomes a fully surrendered soul... This may be a little painful. The father sometimes punishes his children, but that punishment is a sign of His love for them... >>First of all, it's >>not really a particularly important question (in the large scheme of things) what >>the distance to the stars in question are. Yes. It's not very important at all. >>Second, our capability to measure this distance is adequate. NO! We can't measure it at all. The scientists have a theory that the distance is related to the red-shift and they can measure the red-shift then they pop the red-shift into their "distance to the stars" formulae and come up with a number. But it may not be correct. They don't even claim it is correct. The assumption [red-shift and distance are related] may be wrong and/or the formulae may be wrong... >>Therefore, it is by no means time to expect an emergency >>message from God about the distance to a star. Yes. I don't think He'd bother coming down here to tell us that! >>Keep in mind that God is a parent with a lot of responsibilities. Actually He is not "burdened" by responsibilities. He has all knowledge, all beauty, all fame, all strength and all renunciation. He is happy in the Kingdom of God [the spiritual world]. He is with His devotees there. Most people are in the spiritual world. This material world is only a small part of the creation of God (about 1/4). The other 3/4 is the spiritual world... This place is for the rebellious souls [us] who want to be happy separately from God [Krishna]... We try to become the master here in the material world, and to a certain extent we can, but everything ends in frustration. So after being frustrated for many, many births we can see this material world is not so good after all, and we want to go back home, back to Godhead. >ROFL! And what was our Parent doing during Auschwitz? Getting drunk at >the corner saloon while nobody baby-tended? Or do you suppose that the >millions of Jews, Gypsies, etc. and others getting tortured, starved, >murdered, etc, in unspeakable ways, forgot to add in their prayers that >their problems were an "emergency"? This is nonsense... We sin so we suffer. It's karma. Is the law of nature. It's the law of God. This world is a place for suffering. It's like a prison... And the devotees of God "suffer" too at the hands of the "atheists". But they don't suffer actually, because they know they are not these material bodies. They are the spirit soul and their business is to serve Krishna. So they are not disturbed by bodily suffering. Rather they expect it... If we have a material body THE BODY will suffer... EveryBODY gets old, everyBODY gets sick and everyBODY dies... But I do not die, I do not get sick, and I don't get old... IT IS ONLY THE BODY... So if we understand we are not these material bodies, but the soul within there is no suffering... The serious determination to take to spiritual life can only come at the point of frustration of our material desires and the world we are living in is designed to simultaneously give us an opportunity to fulfil our material desires, but to frustrate them at the same time. So we find, in the Western world, everyone is becoming frustrated. It is our responsibility in the Krishna consciousness movement to give those frustrated people the knowledge about what to do after they become frustrated with material life. The defect of our Western culture is although people become frustrated with material life, they have no alternative to it. Our society doesn't provide a spiritual alternative. So people become frustrated and commit suicide -- because there is nothing left. If I come to the point where I am totally frustrated with material life there is no alternative in the Western world. We have a very big job, the job is to provide that alternative, to provide the spiritual alternative so when people are frustrated with material life they can turn to Krishna. This is the business of the Krishna consciousness movement. I humbly beg that you please take this Krishna consciousness movement seriously and help in spreading the knowledge of Krishna to give everybody in the Western world a chance to understand the real purpose of life. Thank you very much. Hare Krishna. dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara tatha dehantara-praptir dhiras tatra na muhyati "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person ls not bewildered by such a change." (Bhagavad-gita 4.13) Chant Hare Krishna and be Happy! Thank you. Hare Krishna! Madhudvisa dasa (firstname.lastname@example.org) http://www.krishna.org All glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!