In article <DAo7rr.5x@cix.compulink.co.uk>, on Sat, 24 Jun 1995 09:31:03 GMT, "Brian Portlock" <???@???> writes: >In article: <CLUNE.95Jun20092538@pasta.colorado> clune@pasta.colorado >(Thomas L. Clune) wrote: >> I disagree. It is entirely straightforward to take a theory like >> general relativity and *express* it entirely in terms of a stationary >> Earth at the center of a revolving universe. > >This is total drivel! Any amateur astronomer with time on their hands and >a modest telescope (say 6"-10") can show that the planets do *not* >revolve around the earth simply by *looking* at them and observing their >phases. ... This isn't the point. Choosing a different viewpoint does not affect what happens in the universe, but may make it more or less difficult to describe what is going on. Relative to an observer on the Earth, really crazy things appear to happen to the planets and stars, for example due to the rotation of the Earth and the fact that we are in a gravitational field (and hence a non-inertial frame of reference) but we have learned to account for these by using mathematical techniques to transform our viewpoint to a frame in which the centre of mass of the solar system is approximately at rest and non-rotating relative to the fixed stars. We are hardly even aware that we do this normally. In a primitive Newtonian description of the universe, it seems that acceleration and rotation (strictly speaking, angular velocity) might be absolute, in which case there is some sort of universal frame of reference in which everything can naturally be described, so that is the one we should normally use. Our mental images of the solar system tend to be based on this idea of a Newtonian universe. Relativity theory shows us that although accelerations and rotations can be measured locally (for example using springs and gyroscopes), they do not necessarily match up exactly at different points in space, because of gravity. We can say that one set of measurements is "right" and the other is being affected by gravity, but in general there is no clear distinction as to which one we should take, especially when dealing with situations where the curvature of space is significant, such as on the cosmological scale. We can of course use Newtonian laws to ask "what would everything look like if I was rotating?". It is well known that a rotating observer sees fictitious forces (centrifugal and coriolis forces) that make things move in odd ways, which turn out to be perfectly logical when seen by a non-rotating observer. In relativistic gravity theory, we don't even have to distinguish explicitly between rotating and non-rotating frames of reference, as if we happen to choose a frame is rotating, these forces arise naturally as consequences of the motion of the gravitational sources. (However, rotation effects caused by anything less than the whole universe are really tiny in practice, since both the source of the potential and the object in its field would have to be travelling at near the speed of light for the acceleration caused by the rotation to be similar in magnitude to the ordinary gravitational acceleration). The conclusion is that although some viewpoints make the universe look simpler than others, neither acceleration nor rotation is really absolute, and our usual way of looking at the solar system and nearby stars is just a convenient approximation to the local average motion which makes everything approximately Newtonian, and hence easier to describe. Describing the universe from the point of view of the Earth, or even worse from the point of view of a location on the rotating surface of the Earth, is rather complicated, but astronomers have to do it all the time in order to know where to point their telescopes. Jonathan Scott jonathan_scott@vnet.ibm.com
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