2012 — The End of the World?
October 16, 2009 by Madhudvisa dasa
Filed under Introduction
There is a great deal of propaganda afoot that something dramatic will happen in 2012 and maybe the world will end…
We have information from the Vedic scriptures about the nature of this material world. Very extensive information is given about the cycles this world goes through over and over again. It is not that we are in uncharted territory. These cycles repeat, just like every year we have the four seasons. The cycle of the seasons repeats over and over again. Similarly the cycle of the four ages or yugas also repeats over and over again. As we know each of the seasons will last for three months and then the next season will start these four ages or yugas also repeat in a very systematic way.
There are four yugas, Satya-yuga - the golden age, lasting 1,728,000 years; Treta-yuga - the silver age, lasting 1,296,000 years; Dvapara-yuga - the bronze age, lasting 864,000 years; and finally Kali-yuga - the iron age of machines and quarrel, lasting 432,000 years.
We are in the final age, Kali-yuga. So in one sense you could call the end of Kali-yuga the “end of the world.” But actually Kali-yuga is no more the end of the world than winter is the end of the seasons. After the winter there will be another spring. At the end of winter everything looks dead. But with the sunshine of spring everything becomes rejuvenated and new life springs up all over the planet. So at the end of this Kali-yuga everything will be very baron and devastated. However that is just like the end of winter. Just like the end of winter means the beginning of a new spring season, there will be another Satya-yuga or golden age and everything in the universe will be rejuvenated again.
There will be some big devastation at the end of the Kali-yuga. But we have just started the Kali-yuga. This age will last for 432,000 years and so far we have only passed 5,000 years of it. So that means that Kali-yuga still has another 427,000 years to run… So please be assured that the world is not going to end in the year 2012… Believe it or not the world will still be going on in the year 429,000. Around this time the current Kali-yuga will end and there will be some devastation and a renewal which will usher in a new Satya-yuga…
So this claim that the “end of the world” is coming in 2012 is complete nonsense. There is no end to the material world. Although everything here in this world — except the living entities (the spirit souls, the atmas) — including the planet and the universe itself, is ultimately a temporary manifestation. Everything has a time of creation and will have a time of destruction.
However, in the bigger picture, the destruction is not actually a destruction. It is simply an exercise in the conservation of energy. Einstein came up with the proposition that both energy and matter cannot be destroyed. They can only be transformed from one form to another. This is the correct understanding.
There is a time when the universe will be destroyed. The universe will exist for one thousand catur-yuga cycles. That is one thousand cycles of the four ages [Satya-yuga, Treta-yuga, Dvapara-yuga and Kali-yuga]. Each cycle of four yugas takes 4,300,000 years. Therefore the “life” of the universe is 4,300,000,000 years or 4.3 billion years. We have currently passed through approximately half of that time. So the universe is about 2.15 billion years old at the moment. So in another 2.15 billion years the whole material world — not just our universe — the entire material creation of an unlimited number of universes, will all be destroyed.
However, as I mentioned before, this is not actually a “destruction” but a conservation of matter and energy. All the matter which forms the material elements in the universe will be conserved in the “mahat-tattva.” This means the “unmanifested material energy.” The material world has two possible states. Manifest and unmanifest. Currently it is manifest and we are here in the material world. But after the completion of approximately 2.15 billion years there will really be a complete and total devastation of the whole material existence. That is the ultimate “end of the world” that all the doomsday people are waiting for. I think that devastation will satisfy them. At that time the whole material existence will be “destroyed” and will become unmanifested for another one thousand catur-yuga cycles.
This means for 4.3 billion years there will be no manifest material world. Everything will be conserved, the matter will be conserved within the mahat-tattva and the living entities will all enter into the body of Maha Visnu and will exist there in a state of suspension.
Although the whole material creation will be “destroyed” in about 2.15 billion years time, in reality nothing will actually be destroyed. The matter will be conserved in the mahat-tattva and the living entries will simply sleep for 4.3 billion years in the body of Maha-Visnu. This is not liberation for the living entities. They just sleep. And when the 4.3 billion years is finished the material world will become manifest again and all the same living entities will enter it again and again resume their activities where they left off 4.3 billion years ago.
And it will be the same thing again. There will be the same grass, trees, donkeys, horses, elephants, people… The same sort of planets and sun and moon will be constructed, the whole thing will be again constructed in the same way.
It is just like every year it is hot in summer and cold in winter. There are no surprises.
The new material world will be much the same as the old one because the material world is created out of the desires of the living entities. It will be the same living entities entering the “new world” who left this world. So they will bring into the “new world” the same desires they left this world with. So they will simply continue in the “new world” where they left off in this world. After sleeping for 4.3 billion years.
There are also smaller devastations that happen periodically, but these only happen at the end of the catur-yuga cycles, so if the doomsday people really want a date that something may happen on then let them use the date of the end of this Kali-yuga, something around 429,000, something quite dramatic will happen then for sure. To get the exact date you will need to consult an astrologer. Until then this world will go on, and on, and on, and on
It will get worse of course. That is the nature of time. In the end it will be very bad. But it will go on, and on and on. There will be no “end of the world” until some time around 429,000 and that is, as I said, not really the end of the world. That is a time of renewal. A transition from the dark age of Kali to a new golden age of spiritual enlightenment.
The material world will never end. There will always be spirit souls like us who rebel against our natural position of rendering service to God. So Krishna mercifully creates this material playground for us. Here we can try to “play god.” Here we can try to enjoy separately from God. But this world is constructed in such a way that all our attempts to enjoy separately from God will end in frustration.
After many, many, many births in the material world, and many, many frustrated lives of suffering, an intelligent man comes to the conclusion that there is no happiness in the material world and decides to go back home, back to Godhead.
There is another world, a spiritual world. That is the place we are all hankering for. In the spiritual world we have a spiritual body which is eternally youthful, full of knowledge and full of bliss. That is our natural position.
The position we find ourselves in the material world is quite opposite to our natural position in the spiritual world. Here, in the material world, we are stuck in a material body that is getting old, getting sick, and ultimately dying. We are always suffering from three different types of miseries. Our minds are always giving us problems; nature [the demigods] is always giving problems in the form of too much rain or no rain, too hot or too cold, etc. And other living entities like the mosquitoes bite us when we are trying to sleep and our enemies attack us. In this way we are constantly suffering from many different types of miseries.
Therefore here, in the material world, we are full of anxieties, full of ignorance. The root cause of all these problems is we identify with the material body. Because of this bodily identification we think we are temporary. We think that we will die. We think that we are not permanent.
The reality is this material world is not our home. We can never be happy here. We are not in our natural atmosphere. We belong in the spiritual world, we will be happy in that spiritual atmosphere.
The purpose of our existence in this material world is to frustrate our material desires so that ultimately we give up our rebellious nature of trying to enjoy separately from Krishna. When we give up this rebellious attitude and surrender to Krishna we will naturally remember Krishna at the time of death and our soul will be transferred to the spiritual world, back home, back to Godhead.
But the material world will continue, it will go on, and on and on and on forever… There is no end to the material world. The doomsday people will always be wrong. They will always be frustrated. They want it to end but it will never end…
I have just given a very small introduction to this subject. There is complete scientific information about all these topics available in the books of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhuapda. If you would like more information please research this at www.PrabhuapdaBooks.com where you will find all of Srila Prabhuapda’s books available online in a very easy to read and search format.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Namaom vishnu padaya krsna prestaya butale
srimate bhakti raghava swami iti namine
namaste gaura sevayam sada nivedit atmane
yuvadou prabupadardam varnasrama pracharine
All Glories to Sri Sri Radha-Madhav,
All Glories to Sri Sri Gaura-Nitai and
All Glories to Srila Prabupada
Hare Krsna Prabu,
Please accept my most humble prostrated obeisances.
The article was really posted at the right time i believe, However there is a propagation taking place extremely with the help of media and its almost prevalent to the entire world. The people who are eagerly waiting for the “End of the world / Dooms Day” 21st December 2012.
People who are in ignorance and bewildered jubiliating that this day would bring them joy.
Here in Hyderabad i’ve seen in many places especially on Cars back glass written “Dooms Day” 21st December 2012
I enjoyed really all the way throughtout the article. But here i have small question that, i did not understand the number 49000, what it refers to and its significance?
As we know that we are in the 28th Maha-yuga of “Vaivasvata” 7th Manu. Each Kalpa Comprises of 4.32 billion years(Half day of Brahma).
The Super-Excellent personality of Godhead Sri Krsna proclaimed in Bhagavad Gita: Chp 9 Text 6-10.
This article should be published and mail to be sent to all the people who are in thirst of devastation. So they would know what is truth.
Dasanu dasanu dasa,
Hari Prasad.
Dear Hari Prasad Prabhu
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
I made a mistake with that 49000 figure. I was trying to add 2000 to 427,000 [432,000 (time Kali-yuga will last for) - 5,000 (the approx time that has passed in Kali-yuga up to the year 2000]. Of course this actually comes to 429,000. The approximate year that this Kali-yuga will end. While this is just the end of an ordinary Kali-yuga, still something dramatic will happen around that time.
Thank you very much for pointing this out.
Your servant
Madhudvisa dasa
Thank you
Even though i study praphupada’s books. I did not have these sorts of knowledge. The post clearly tells me how advanced you are. Please keep writing emails.
Keshab
The world of material conditioned mind sees and end to something a “doomsday” approaching. We realize through the vedic scriptures that the material conditioned mind can’t realy see anything. Without the Supreme Lord and the parampara the conditioned mind could even see things in an opposite way. They might see an upturn as a “doomsday”. The “rascal”, analyzes the world in selfish ignorant ways. What is truely good for God and all of the world might even be seen by the “rascal” as some sort of bad happening. As you have pointed out Madhudvisa dasa there is no vedic basis for a doomsday in 2012. The vedic scriptures and the parampara do show a basis though for the material conditioned mind to be confused and deliver disinformation full of mistake and illusion.
“Vedic knowledge is received from transcendental sources, and the first words were spoken by the Lord Himself. The words spoken by the Lord are called apauruseya, meaning that they are different from words spoken by a person of the mundane world who is infected with four defects. A mundaner is
1) is sure to commit mistakes, 2) is invariably illusioned, 3) has the
tendency to cheat others and 4) is limited by imperfect senses. With
these four imperfections, one cannot deliver perfect information of all-pervading knowledge.” (“Bhagavad-gita As It Is” by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)
Thank you so much Madhudvisa dasa for your devotion and service.
Hare Krishna!
I would like to say thank you very much for the article. But I again would like to request you to elaborate your article in such a manner so that everyone can understand, more or less I want you to summarise it for the mass people, the article what you have sent is for the classess and not for massess, where as the mass has to be addressed very much.
regards,
Amar Nath
Hare Krishna Amar
The masses can not understand these points actually.
Philosophy is not for the masses, it is for the intelligent people who can understand it.
It can not be watered down, it has to be explained properly.
For the masses we have the chanting of:
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
And the distribution of Krishna prasadam.
Let the masses chant Hare Krishna and dance in ecstasy and then when they are tired feed them with sumptuous Krishna Prasadam. That is Lord Caitanya’s program. And that is what Srila Prabhupada has instructed us to do for the masses. And that is actually the main thing we should be doing.
Still the philosophy needs to be there but it will not be understood by the masses. We are distributing so many books but actually not everyone can understand these books. We are searching for a few intelligent men who can grasp the sublime transcendental concepts Srila Prabhuapda is presenting as the current link in the disciplic succession coming from Krishna through Lord Caitanya and the disciplic succession to Srila Prabhuapda and then to us.
Not everyone can understand it. The masses are not interested in philosophy. They are interested in eating, sleeping, mating and defending. Krishna consciousness is not for the masses. It requires surrender and only a few sincere souls will surrender. Without the surrender there is no Krishna consciousness.
But if there is even a very small percentage of the population who become Krishna conscious and perform the Sankirtan Yajna seriously and engage the masses in chanting Hare Krishna and dancing in ecstasy and distributing sumptuous Krishna Prasadam to the masses, that will transform the world, and it will transform the people also.
But philosophy will never be for the masses… They are not interested in it. Give them Kirtan, give them sumptuous Prasadam…
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
The basis of the 2012 panic is the fact that the Ancient Mayan calendar ends on the winter solstice (December 21, 2012). Some of you may have seen photos of the large circular stone calendar of the Mayas.
The only thing that can be said about this is that in the Mayan tradition a new era commences on December 22, 2012 .. not the earth shaking ‘end times’ that some would have you believe. On the morning of December 22, 2012, the world will simply continue on doing what the world does each morning. Devotees will chant japa, devotees will welcome Shri Shri Radha Krsna in the temples, Prashad will be taken and on and on and on.
Haribol!
Fundamental problems which the most peaceful place for human beings?
First: The World’s womb for the fetus and the mother of a child?
Second: The world (earth) that we live in now? or
Third: the end of the world or the spiritual world.
In my opinion, what they say about the world today, is the world’s for sure, right there because while we are alive and live.
While the end of the world, which is shown by religion, is unique and different to today’s world. No need to compare the present world and the spiritual world later.
If the world today is a combination Soul, Spirit and Body Form, and the spiritual world is only the spirit or soul, both are essential.
Regardless of the world later, the most important thing right now and our lives here and in the world.
What do we do with life today?
DO GOOD OR BAD DO?
Thanks for your wonderful clarification. I like you am just trying to find my way home.
Hare Krishna
Adrian
Hare Krishna Madhudvisa dasa,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
I very much enjoyed the article. While I was reading I wanted to be reassure that the sleeping living entities are not the once who have already entered into the Vaikuntha planets.
I am aware that you very clearly indicated “Material” universes and not “Spiritual” universes. Can you please put an end to this doubt.
Hare Krishna!
Hare Krishna
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha
Dear Swamin,
Please help to clarify my doubt regrading the number of years in each yuga. If Dwapara yuga is 864,000 years, and Kali yuga is 5000 years old, does it mean that Srimad Ramayanam which happened in Treta yuga occurred 869,000 years ago ? Also, is it true that the Ram Setu still exists and has been detected by NASA satellite ?
Dasan,
Parthasarathy
Hare Krishna,
We are seeing there is lot problems in the present world. People are getting corrupted to earn money. They are doing anything to get money. Generally people are suffering every day because of these people.
Will these people who looting poor and ignorant people will face the consequence of their actions.If yes then when will the face so.
Hare Krishna,
Very useful article at the right time.
Jai Sri Krishna,
The end of world is not so soon. In a few years from now, there are some meteroits which are aming towards the earth, these will fall and in one day more then 30% to 40% population of the world will die.
Hare Krishna Guruji ,,
Thank u very much for this article . It as indeed the real insight about who we are and what is our ultimate destination .
But Guruji one question always haunts my mind !!!!
why does krishna leave us in this material world to face all the miseries ,,
why doesnt he call back all to Godhead ???
Please reply ASAP ……
Thankss
Hare krishna once again …..
Regards ,
Atul Maken .
Excellent and very lucid article. Thank you very much!
I had a couple of questions for you:
1) When catur-yuga ends, will the atmas go back to God Head and sleep there for some time till the next catur-yuga starts?
2) Will the entire universe be destroyed when catur-yuga ends?
3) If it is not too much trouble, could you please reconcile Brahma’s appearance/disappearance in these cycles?
Thanks again.
Ravishankar G.
Hare Krishna Ravishankar Prabhu
When the catur-yuga ends there is a short break only and in this case it is the transition from Kali-yuga to Satya-yuga. So there will be some revival and refreshment of the material world. The sort of thing that we see happen in spring. After the long, cold, bleak winter everything is withering and looking dead. But as soon as the spring comes there are new shoots coming out of the plants everywhere and all the animals are coming back to activity again after the long winter and there is a complete rejuvenation of the earth. So a similar thing will happen at the end of the Kali-yuga but on a grand scale, a universal scale. In Satya-yuga things are very different. The atmosphere is surcharged with the mode of goodness, as opposed to the Kali-yuga where the atmosphere is surcharged with the mode of passion. In the Satya-yuga people can live for up to 100,000 years compared to only 100 years in the Kali-yuga. So it will be a dramatic transformation for sure.
But the spirit souls do not go back to Godhead to sleep there. They will be somewhere in the material world, according to their Karma. At the end of Lord Brahma’s life the living entities will enter into the body of the Visnu lying on the ocean at the bottom of this universe and sleep. But that is not back to Godhead. They are in a state of suspension simply waiting for the next day of Brahma when they will continue their material activities.
I have written in another posting today that Lord Brahma lives for 100 years. Each year has 360 days. Each day has 1000 catur-yuga cycles and so does each night. So from this you can understand the birth and death of Brahma and that is also the birth and death of the universe. But of course that is a cycle as well. After the current Brahma dies then there will be a new Brahma born, and the whole material creation will start again…
Hope it is of some help. Thank you for the nice questions.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Thanks for the explanation. Hare Krishna.
Jai Sri Krishna,
In your email in the end you said “Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!”
Dear Brother, The answer is in this line Chant Hare Krishna, that is enough for all worries.
Infact Lord Krishna has said, WITHOUT MY WILL EVEN A LEAF WILL NOT SHAKE. Then Dear Brother why bother about the world coming to an end, what ever Our Krishna wants will happen. SO Lets us All Chant KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA. . .
Hare Krishna
Not that I believed the date 2012 meant that the world was ending, I was just pleased to receive your posting. When I see Madhudvisa das come up on my email I get an immediate lift.They seem to arrive at the right time.
Warm regards
Brian
Dear Madhudvisa dasa Ji,
I have a question in my mind.
I want to know that there are some cases that a person dies suddenly due to an attack, accident, etc. then how can he remember Krishna at the time of his death? He doesn’t get any time to remember Krishna.
What should be done then?
Please let me know the answer to my question.
Thanks,
Mahesh
Maheshji:
You ask, “I want to know that there are some cases that a person dies suddenly due to an attack, accident, etc. then how can he remember Krishna at the time of his death? He doesn’t get any time to remember Krishna.
What should be done then?”
There is NO such thing as instantanious death. This is something conjoured up by the maya masters of Bollywood/Hollywood. Time to remember Krishna is there for the sincere, always.
Thank you for all your efforts on your websites
You are correct in saying that the world will not end in 2012, nor does the Mayan calendar say this either. The current Mayan calendar time cycle period, ending 2012, talks about a major change of life on the planet, not that it will be the physical end of the world, but of the “world” as we know it now. This is what I believe most people also understand about the calendar.
Although Kali Yuga may last for 432,000 years, that does not mean that there will not be periods of destruction and renewal within those years, as there have been in the past. It is evidenced that approximately every 10,000 years, the Earth floods, and that it is currently due for another major earth flood.
There are also other changes that occur cyclically as well, Ice Ages being another significant one. The Earth cleanses and renews itself all the time, wiping out and regenerating societies and landscapes to varying degrees, and in various ways.
Whether it happens on a specific date, or not, is somewhat irrelevant at this point – the facts remain as they are; Mother Bhumi, Earth, is over-burdened and being destroyed in ways that will now take thousands of years to cleanse, renew, and regenerate - and not in just one stratum of the ecosphere, but in every single one. Like an all-out attack on it, human society has rightly been proclaimed as a cancer on this Earth.
If we look at the evidence and facts as they stand now, we are due for a major shake-down. The world as we know it now will not, and cannot, go on as it is, and who alone can, and will, change this but the all-devouring hands of time. Perhaps something major will happen on 2012, or perhaps not. Either way, the Earth is due for a major change, and the stage is now set.
“What Is the Matter with the World?”
by Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Human civilizations are conducted in two ways. One type of civilization can make every human being as much qualified as God is. And the other type of civilization can make every man no less than a jungle beast and thereby making this world unfit for human habitation.
Therefore, the perfect answer to the question ‘What is the matter with the world?’ is that Men have become demons by breaking laws of God, and therefore they are being punished by the police action of material nature. That is the verdict of all scriptures and that is our day-to-day life’s experience.
These troubles are like the forest fire. Fire takes place in the dense forest without any attempt by any living being. Nobody in the forest does want such fire, but it takes place without any demand. When there is fire, the living beings in the forest are put into trouble and sometimes it so happens that most of the forest creatures die in that havoc. There is no fire brigade in the forest or on the top of a forest mountain and there is no hope for of extinguishing the fire by any human attempt. It takes by the natural laws, and it is extinguished by natural laws also, that is, when there is torrent of rains in the forest. That is the natural law and these laws are so rigid and stern that no human brain, however it may be powerful, can solve these problems of natural laws.
An intelligent person, who has actually developed some finer qualities of human consciousness, can understand that every law is made by an intelligent brain and behind every law there is the lawmaker who makes the law. So for all these natural laws, there is the Supreme Lawmaker, who is the Absolute Personality of Godhead. In the ‘Bhagwat Gita’ we have, therefore, information that natural laws are so stringent that they cannot be overcome by anybody. But whoever surrenders unto the Supreme Lord can overcome them.
The King is the lawmaker and if he likes he can forgive a lawbreaker by special prerogative of the King - by the ‘King’s mercy,’ but the King can do no wrong even if he sometimes breaks the law. That is, an experience of a common man in the phenomenal world and the same thing is applicable in the matter of Supreme laws also.
The natural laws are like police actions by the agents of Godhead. Men, who are too much captivated by the glamour of material beauty and tries to enjoy it falsely without acknowledgement of its Creator, are called demons. The stringent natural laws are meant for the criminals but not for the law-abiders.
In the ‘BHAGWAT GITA’ a vivid description of the law-breaker demoniac men are given in the 16th chapter and such men are punished by the laws of God - are also maintained.
A human being is called a rational animal. When rationality is destroyed, the human being is left an ordinary animal. The difference between a human being and an animal is based on the strength of human being’s being above the animal propensities. The animal part of a human being necessarily requires food to eat, shelter to live in, protection from fear and gratification of senses. These four principles of life are common both to the man and the animals. But there is another thing which is specially meant for the human being. This is God-consciousness. This God-consciousness is conspicuous by absence in the animal life, while in the human life this God-consciousness is in dormant stage even in the society of the aborigines. This God-consciousness develops in different grades of human civilization in terms of particular place, time and persons. This God-consciousness is called Religion or Culture of Life without which no civilization can stand.
The present day civilization is trying to avoid this God-consciousness of human life by artificial method of material science and forcible atheism. It is learnt from reliable sources that in an atheistic state, the village people were called in a meeting and were asked to pray in the Church for daily bread. The innocent villagers prayed in the Church for daily bread, and when the prayer was over the state officers asked them whether breads were supplied. The village men replied that there was no bread. The atheist politicians asked them again to pray for bread from them (the statesmen) and bread was at once supplied. And by this method the innocent villagers were made victims of propaganda by atheistic politicians with the result that all the villagers became gradually faithless in God, because wrongly they accepted that the bread was supplied by the politicians and not by God.
The poor victims of such propaganda did not understand that the breads supplied by the politicians were not made by the father of the politicians but actually they were sent by God. No politician can manufacture bread without wheat. No wheat is produced without sun rays or rains from the sky. No rains are possible without obedience to God. No atheist can live and decry God without eating bread.
And therefore whoever eats bread without acknowledging in gratitude of his indebtedness to God is certainly a demon and for such demons the stringent natural laws are meant for punishment. A time is nearing when there will be no wheat paddy in the field and no politician will be able to make a quick supply of bread. The food problem is already acute.
The atheistic civilization is to be troubled more and more with the progress of materialism. We have such foretellings in the pages of Srimad Bhagwat Gita. The more the people are turning to the atheistic, the more things of disturbing elements do appear before us. And that is the thing which matters at present. This is a wrong type of civilization.
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Hare Krsna Prabu,
PAMHO,
Thanks for your valuable article. I need some clarification on time. You have stated in one of the para that:
“another 2.15 billion years the whole material world — not just our universe — the entire material creation of an unlimited number of universes, will all be destroyed”.
another para states that:
“There will be some big devastation at the end of the Kali-yuga. But we have just started the Kali-yuga. This age will last for 432,000 years and so far we have only passed 5,000 years of it. So that means that Kali-yuga still has another 427,000 years to run…”
In above two places there are two different time period is indicated for devastation, could you please clarify more on this.
Thanks for your services.
Hari Bol!,
Fallen Soul,
Seva Parayan Krishna Das
Dear Seva Parayan Krishna Prabhu
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhuapda!
The universe goes through cycles of the four yugas, one cycle of the four yugas takes 4.3 million years. We are currently five thousand years into the Kali Yuga which will last in total for 432,000 years. So that means there are 427,000 years left in this Kali-yuga. So at that time there will be some sort of devastation. There are one thousand of these catur-yuga [four yuga] cycles within one day of Lord Brahma, and at the end of Lord Brahma’s day there is a more serious devastation which affects all the planets below Lord Brahma’s planet. So this is not a total devastation of the whole universe, because the higher planets remain untouched. But all the lower and middle planetary systems certainly become uninhabitable. And this devastation lasts a long time. Another one thousand catur yuga cycles. So that means 4.3 million * 1000. Or 4.3 billion years. That is the length of Lord Brahma’s night, it is also the length of his day.
So that devastation, which happens at the end of Lord Brahma’s day, will happen very roughly in 2.15 million years I have said. Assuming that we are currently around about noon time on Lord Brahma’s planet. Someone may be able to give a more accurate time on Brahmaloka so we can give a more accurate figure here… [Perhaps a search on google "current time in Brahmaloka"]
I have not mentioned in the article that the real total devastation happens at the end of Lord Brahma’s life. Lord Brahma lives for 100 years of 360 days each. So the mathematicians among us can calculate how long that is. And some pundit can tell us how old Lord Brahma is now and in that way we can calculate how long it will be until Lord Brahma dies and the whole material existence becomes un-manifested….
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Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
excellent article;
however; it doesn’t mention the same old problem of the world leaders: who only want slaves to serve them: no middle class; just like in Iskcon: no ‘middle class’ devotees: who would tell others about the ritvik philosophy: left by Prabhupad. These world leaders are organizing a huge ‘kill off’ of what they hope to get rid of: 90% of the world’s population, who they feel are using too much energy, etc.; (leaving 5-10% left as slaves: (just like brainwashed cult robot bramacharis: in Iskcon). Through manipulations like controlled earthquakes, tsunamis, wars, nuclear devastations, etc.; these world leaders are arranging these events to take place (possibly simulataneously), approx. on or near 12/21-2012. Such a ‘controlled’ devastation could bring about the ‘golden age’?
so, 2012 may be a ‘big’ ‘event’.
thank you again for this excellent article.
Hare Krishna
I think this email was an eye opener and it erased all my fears about the world going to end soon, although i could tell that its just a hoax like all the previous declarations of the world going to end (If you remember the great deal about the world going to end in 2000, n then later in 2008). Also, id like to say i love the simplicity with which you write your articles. It really makes a college student like me understand the whole picture in an easy language. I was telling this to all my classmates today and i remembered each and every point you were trying to put forward.
Thanks once again,
Divya Gslani
Hare Krisnna,
Ive often been in pain wondering why people find krishna consciousness at different times- that we dont collectively find and share the understanding. Maybe your comment above isnt totally correct-maybe all people will find krishna consciousness- only specific to how many lives they have to live- ie,I maybe on my 99th year in materialville- you maybe on 10,0000. You are therefore going to grasps the ideology and blessed truth sooner than myself.
What you think?
Hare Krishna, the only words worth speaking.
Hare Krishna! I am really sorry but I have a problem with the following statement by Madhudvisa Prabhu:
“So the universe is about 2.15 billion years old at the moment. So in another 2.15 billion years the whole material world — not just our universe — the entire material creation of an unlimited number of universes, will all be destroyed.”
When Lord Brahma’s night comes universes are not destroyed completely and this is if you are talking about the day of Brahma. Material creation is destroyed after Lord Branma’s lifetime of 100 years and his 24 hours is more then 8 billion years. I simply don’t understand why you talking of entire creation only existing for miserly 4 billion years.
I am sorry for my tone.
Your servant,
Satya Krishna das
Dear Satya Krishna Prabhu
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Yes. Technically it is incorrect. The whole universe will last a lot longer. I was speaking from the perspective of Earth and the middle planetary system will be destroyed at the end of Brahma’s day. Of course at that time the upper planets, like Brahmaloka, where Lord Brahma is living, are not destroyed. So this is not really the destruction of the universe. But from the perspective of Earth it is certainly a destruction.
All details are described very clearly in Srimad-Bhagavatam and I would encourage anyone who is interested in this to study it at http://www.PrabhupadaBooks.com
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
¡Hare Krishna!
Madhudvisa dasa: I believe your religion is great, but like all others religions in our world, with all respect, it has truths and lies, and that the lasting of kali yuga in hundreds of thousands of years is one of that lies. Our world maybe already started a new system of things in 1940’s, but nobody knows the way things will go on. thanks for your attention
Sahadev
Madhudvisa dasa,
I would like to point out the error in your statement
“the “life” of the universe is 4,300,000,000 years or 4.3 billion years.”
The above statement refers to pralaya where the lower class planets gets destroyed including Earth and Earth like planets. And the number 4,300,000,000 years is actually equal to one day of Brahma and another same number constitutes one night of Brahma.
So the universe doesn’t get destroyed during this period as you have mentioned.
Because the universe will exist along with upper class planets like Muniloka including Brahmaloka.
But according to you the universe gets destroyed that means Brahma also is destroyed (he being a Jivatma along with Shiva) while it is not the case.
The universe gets destroyed after 100 years of Brahma. Our universe Brahma is in his 1st day of his 51st year that means the universe will exist 50 x 365 x 4,300,000,000 x 2 (2 for day and night)
I do not know what you meant by universe. I Apologize if that is not what you meant.
Universe according to my understanding and what the scripture says, is all the worlds (brahmaloka, muniloka, bhuvarloka, svargaloka, bhooloka, patalaloka ….) and not JUST Earth like planets and other lower planets.
When the whole universe is destroyed it is termed as Mahapralaya. After every ChaturYuga (or MahaYuga) there will be some period of nothingness. Similar condition exist between every Yugas which is termed as YugaSandhi If my Pronunciation is right.
Any erros or omissions I apologize.
Thanks,
Jaisimha
Hare Krishna Jaismha Prabhu
Thank you for pointing out this.
I simplified it. Yes. At the end of the 1000 cycles of the catur-yuga it is the end of Lord Brahma’s day and at that time there is a devastation of all the lower planetary systems which will last for another 1000 catur-yuga cycles [Brahma's night]. I was finding it difficult to explain everything in one short article like this. Your calculations are correct. It is not really true to say the universe is destroyed at the end of Brahma’s day as Brahmaloka is also in the universe and that is not destroyed, only the lower planetary systems are destroyed at this time.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
we are very happy to have gone through this article. and now i dare say to every one that there is not yet dooms day by showing this article.
I am curious Prabhu -Have you actually studied Jyotish and Prophecy from around the world? It is a very generic answer and preaching approach…Yes it is always good to remind people to chant…but don’t be in denial about the storm!
As you said -most people do not care for esoteric knowledge -so it is obvious Srila Prabhupada gav the “masses of his simple minded disciples” and in his books
“simple answers” -as to not distract the ignorant.
No 2012 is not the end of the world -but it is a time when the Rakshasha races are preparing humanity for a new world order. If you do not believe that Prabupada knew all these things -read your bhagavatam!
8-22-20
10-31-21
SB 5.14.16: Government men are always like carnivorous demons called Rākṣasas [man-eaters]. Sometimes these government men turn against the conditioned soul and take away all his accumulated wealth. Being bereft of his life’s reserved wealth, the conditioned soul loses all enthusiasm. Indeed, it is as though he loses his life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31dszQoDM9I&feature=related
Om Shri Radha Krishnabhyam Namoh
Namaskar
Thank you for the article which will definitely reduce some of the anxieties among common people which has been created by media’s exaggeration. But one thing is true and its happening. The nature is reacting fiercely than before. The violent attitude of it as well as of human beings are increasing. Daily you hear about terrorism, natural calamity, war , drought etc.etc. So it appears to me that although Kaliyuga will continue, people will change. I will not be wrong if many people die out of new deseases, hunger, war or by natural calamities. And as a result a sense of utmost fear will make people more inclined to spirituality. That change will take place soon may be from 2012 itself. Lastly thanking you again.
Your servant
S.K.Das
Om Shri Radha Krishnabhyam Namoh
only loonies are going around saying 2012 is the “END”
the theory behind it is that on 2012 there will be a mass awakening of consciousness of some sort
Jaya Syamasundar…AMIGO…MADHUVISA DAS..As you well know Srila Pradhupad was krishna s best friend…HE KNEW WHAT WAS BEST FOR US…his mercy comming to America with three heart attacks crossing the atlantic…alone in New york city
with few rupees..MONEY..NO SHELTER…BUT HE WAS KRISHNA S BEST FRIEND IN THIS AGE..HE S DEVOTINAL SERVICE TO MANKIND CAN ONLY SURVIVE SPREADING KRISHNA S HOLY NAMES…HIS MAGNIFICENT PURE TRANSLATION OF THE VEDAS..
.AND THE PURE DISIRE OF FULLFILLING LORD Chainya Mahaprabhu profetic wish that every corner of the world will chant the holy name of Krishna…task…he made possible…still Kali yuga advances and many generations must follow…and we generation one must join ..must advance…must be active as you are in your spiritual life….
one puting this place were devotees speak out there hearts and moods…devotionañ service in its diferent flaviors…taste s…two… in ansering to frinds on line…
SHAKSPERE HAS FINALY FOUND SOMEONE HOW HAS REACHED AND SURPASSED WRITING SKILLS AND FILOSOPHICAL SKILLS..BUT PRABHUPAD WAS KRISHNA S BEST FRIENDS….
YOUR FRIEND FRANCO….VIVA MEXICO…
Hare Krishna!!
Dear Prabhu,
I’m interested in knowing about kalki avatar of Krishna. Where will He be born and when will He be born? What are the signs of His arrival. I heard that the names of His parents are also mentioned in the scriptures. However I’m not sure. Please enlighten me on His leela as kalki.
Regards,
Venu
Hare Krishna Venu
Kalki will appear towards the end of the Kali Yuga. His parent’s names are given in Srimad-Bhagvatam and the place of his birth. But Kali-yuga will not end for another 427,000 years. So we still have some time to wait. As Kalki he will simply kill the demons and usher in a new satya-yuga, golden age. There will be no preaching then, just killing the demons.
Madhudvisa dasa
EXELENT WORK ….Madhuvisa das….
Hare Krishna..DEVOTEEEEES…..THE END OF THE WORLD STARTS
WHEN YOU STOP PREACHING…KRISHNA IS TIME…..TIME IS KRISHNA…
AT THE END OF KALIYUGA KALKI AVATAR WILL RESTORE THE WORLD
AND SATYA YUGA THE GOLDEN AGE WILL ARISE..THATS FAR FROM HERE..
MANY GENERATION WILL PASS THESE 10 OOOO YEARS LESS 500 SINCE LORD CHAITANYA
CAME TO EARTH THATS 9 500 YEARS THAT KRISHNA MOVEMENT WILL BE PREACHING
THATS LORD GAURANGA S PROFECE.WE ARE PART OF THIS FESTIVAL IN ITS BEGINNING S
I HOPE HUMAN BEING WILL BE PREPARED… SO THE MORE PEOPLE TO KWOW ABOUT
KRISHNA THE BETTER….WELL SAID BY SRILA PRABHUPADA…PLANTING THE SEED….
IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO SEE FRUITS…..DEVOTEES……KRISHNA DOES THE REST..
He is all… He is…..INDRA…THE HIMALAYAS…LORD SIVA…THE VEDAS
THE MooN…Ucchaihsrava Horse Incarnation….Trancendental Omkara…
Kapila Muni.. Spring Time Ramachandra….Kamadhuk the Cow….Arjuna… Vyasadeva …Pralada…Vasuki the Shark…Skanda..Yamaraj…The Leon…
Kuvera… Agni..Airavata…Lord Jesus Cristos…El Señor Brahma…
Narada Muni..Garuda…The Sun..The Ocean…Lord Visnu…Ananta…Kalki Avatar
and The Holy Names
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
With all my respects and love to my spiritual master
Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad BHAKTI GURU OF THE WORLD
FRANCO
I truly want to know and serve Krishna and become a devotee. I need much more information! Any help is appreciated!
Todd
Currently at the end of each cycle of time happens a devastation. At the end of Duapara yuga Lord Rama killed all dynasties of demons. At the end of treta yuga Lord Krishna killed all the demons also and expected the same to happen at the end of kali yuga the current age of quarrel. Kali yuga has its ups and downs.
Of course that the world will not end at 2012, but there are strong indications that the demons are determined to destroy the world. An atom of carbon dioxide can destroy 100,000 ozone molecules. The nitrogen trifluoride (Present in plasma screens) has a harmful effect 17,000 times greater than carbon dioxide on the atmosphere. This gas production increased to 8,000 tons in 2009.
In the Bible we find a quote that exactly fits with Srila Prabhupada;
“AND I SAW ANOTHER ANGEL FLY IN THE MIDST OF HEAVEN, HAVING THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL TO PREACH UNTO THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH, AND TO EVERY NATION, AND KINDRED AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE. and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.” Rev 14 - 6, 7.
Its means the Sanatana Dharma (eternal gospel) and Srila Prabhupada always refers to:
“The atomic bomb is already there, and as
soon as the next war breaks out, all their
skyscrapers and everything else will be finished…”
“So our scientific advancement has created this atomic bomb to kill man, and it will be used. And we have to
go underground to become again rat. From
tiger, again rat. That is going to be….”
“Krsna cannot be killed, neither His movement cannot
be killed. Rather, those who are attempting
to kill, they will be killed…”
“When the American becomes too much luxurious, they’ll not be able to defend their country. Then it will be finished.
Power hungry politicians are creating havoc everywhere. These rascals create so many difficult situations. The public is very nice but the politicians keep them in ignorance. I have studied the whole world. Human nature is the same everywhere. The mass of people are very good but these rogues create by their personal aggrandizement so many difficulties….”
[S.P. Letter to: Atreya Rsi Bombay 20 April, 1977]
“Thus there is a great need for the Krsna consciousness movement for the benefit of innocent people who are being carried away by propaganda of such demons
In the present age, Kali-yuga, the number of such shameless men, who are agnostics disbelieving in the existence of God, has increased. Trying to defy the authority of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, so-called scientists, philosophers and politicians manufacture plans and schemes for the destruction of the world. They cannot do anything good for the world, and unfortunately, because of Kali-yuga, they have plunged the affairs of the world into mismanagement. Thus there is a great need for the Krsna consciousness movement for the benefit of innocent people who are being carried away by propaganda of such demons. If the present status quo is allowed to continue, people will certainly suffer more and more under the leadership of these demoniac agnostics.
[S.B. 8.22.20]
They must be killed by You
for the protection of the innocent public.
TRANSLATION: O my Lord, proprietor of all creation, You have now appeared in my house, desiring to protect this world. I am sure that You will kill all the armies that are moving all over the world under the leadership of politicians who are dressed as ksatriya rulers but who are factually demons. They must be killed by You for the protection of the innocent public.
PURPORT: Krsna appears in this world for two purposes, paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam: to protect the innocent, religious devotees of the Lord and to annihilate all the uneducated, uncultured asuras, who unnecessarily bark like dogs and fight among themselves for political power. It is said, kali-kale nama-rupe krsna avatara. The Hare Krsna movement is also an incarnation of Krsna in the form of the holy name (nama-rupe). Every one of us who is actually afraid of the asuric rulers and politicians must welcome this incarnation of Krsna: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Then we will surely be protected from the harassment of asuric rulers. At the present moment these rulers are so powerful that by hook or by crook they capture the highest posts in government and harass countless numbers of people on the plea of national security or some emergency. Then again, one asura defeats another asura, but the public continues to suffer. Therefore the entire world is in a precarious condition, and the only hope is this Hare Krsna movement. Lord Nrsimhadeva appeared when Prahlada was excessively harassed by his asuric father. Because of such asuric fathers–that is, the ruling politicians–it is very difficult to press forward the Hare Krsna movement, but because Krsna has now appeared in His holy name through this movement, we can hope that these asuric fathers will be annihilated and the kingdom of God established all over the world. The entire world is now full of many asuras in the guise of politicians, gurus, sadhus, yogis and incarnations, and they are misleading the general public away from Krsna consciousness, which can offer true benefit to human society.
[S.B. 10.3.21]
“So atom, atom bomb is waiting for them.
Yes. It will be finished. All the demons will be finished.
So these rascals are going on. So it is very difficult to preach Krsna consciousness. The whole world is overburdened by these rascals and demons. So atom, atom bomb is waiting for them. Yes. It will be finished. All the demons will be finished.
(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 1.8.34 Los Angeles, April 26, 1973)
Dear Prabhu’s, pamho. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
As many of you obviously have not grasped, we are stepping into the greatest golden age of all time with Sri Chaitanyas Age of Sankirtan and return to the original spiritual varna - ashram system, the only sensible and merciful way to structure human soceity. We are moving from kali yuga into a super satya yuga, and change from kali to satya normally is connected with partial devastation and killing of demons. Read Prabhupadas books closely. We are at war with demons. Our primary weapon is knowledge and information, but Srila Prabhupada did in fact say that there was likelihood of actual confrontation with the demoniac order because they have systematically supressed spiritual knowledge since time immomorial. Be prepared and do not think you know everything if you don’t :-). Partial devastation doesn’t of course mean a destruction / seizure of the material world all together, but mother bhumi (the earth) will together with divine forces rid herself of all unsurendered demons to clean the land for the real new world order. Welcome to lila - bhumi ..
With love and respect
KA
aw noio i dobt want the world to end hope that will not happend fingers crossed lol……life is life o well
since this is a universe without end and it’s just goes through different stages like the seasons, by being sons and daughters of krishna how did we fall from grace how did we get in this material universe how did we get so stuck in it and why can’t we talk to god like we talk with each other instead of prayer
We come to the material world because we become envious of Krishna’s position. Krishna is the master, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. We are all part and parcel of Krishna. So we have the same desires and feelings as Krishna. But He is unlimited and we are very small. So sometimes the very small wants to imitate the great. As soon as we have this desire to become the master we are placed in this material world to suffer over and over again until we eventually realize that we are not the master, rather we are all servants of Krishna, and when we realize this and surrender to Krishna and use all our energy in serving Krishna then at the time of death we will remember Krishna and we will then escape from the sufferings of the material world and go back home, back to Godhead…
We can talk to God like we can talk to our friend. But that requires qualification. It is not so easy to talk to Krishna like that, face to face. For us it is not so much important to try to directly talk to Krishna, Krishna has sent his pure devotee Srila Prabhuahpda here for us. So if we simply hear from Srila Prabhuapda that is not different from hearing from Krishna directly.
In the material world this is the process. We have to hear from Krishna’s pure devotee and that is as good as hearing from Krishna directly.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
I hv red the first part. The end of world 2012, But there are still questions that. A commet names Nibru is comming toword earth on 21 dec. 2012, I have also heard that All nine planets will be in one line infront of sun. Result to that A giant black hole will born, and there are chances that the black hole can take earth in it. Even Mayan people also has done preduction on this. They had shown the end of world in Dec 21 2012, in there calender.
World might end or not but there will be a big desaster. people will die huge counting. Life on earth might not end but it depend on mother nature, which species live and which dies. What will happen to Humanity “GOD KNOWS”?????????
Mahaprabhu jee
please kindly informed me through my E-mail - what are the main sourse from where you are saying fact by your article “2012 the end of the world”! (The world will still go on and on and on)
If a person may say that what is the source that you mention strongly about the fact that the world will not going to end.
I know that you are wright, but I would like to read about the future of world.
If I insult you from this comment., Please forgive me Mahaprabhu jee.
Surajit Chatterjee.
Hare Krishna Prabhu
The source is the Srimad-Bhagavatam and other books translated by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the Founder-Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.
nothing will happen lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hare Krishna, Prabhus. Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Thank you for this valuable discussion putting this temporary material world into perspective in the grand scheme of things.
Can you please give some further explanation about the Golden Age of Lord Caitanya within this kaliyuga? Is it a certainty that this will occur, or does it depend on how much we propagate the Sankirtan Movement?
Thank you.
Jai Sri Sri Guru and Gauranga!
Hare Krishna Braja Banesvari Prabhu
The Golden Age of Lord Caitanya is now.
Now we have full access to Srila Prabhuapda and his teachings which gives us complete access to Krishna and Lord Caitanya.
The extent as to how the Sankirtan movement will spread is up to us. How much we perform the sankirtan yaja. Which means how much we distribute Srila Prabhupada’s books and go out on the streets of the world with Kartals and Mridanga and chant the Hare Krishna mantra. And then it depends if we are chanting purely or not.
As you know the distribution of Prabhupada’s books and the public sankirtan has practically stopped now. These activities, book distribution and Hari Nama Sankirtan, are no longer a priority in ISKCON temples and now there are very, very few ISKCON devotees who distribute Prabhupada’s books and go out chanting the Hare Krishna mantra publicly daily. In Srila Prabhuapda’s time all ISKCON devotees did this. Everyone was a book distributor and everyone participated in regular Hari Nama Sankirtan. This is Prabhupada’s movement, the SANKIRTAN MOVEMENT. No ISKCON has given up the sankirtan except for a very small show.
So we can not expect Srila Prabhupada’s and Lord Caitanya’s movement to spread at all without a sankirtan movement. The sankirtan has stopped so the spread of the golden age of Lord Caitanya has also stopped.
What is needed is a world-wide International Society of Krishna Conscious persons who are dedicated to distributing Srila Prabhuapda’s books and performing Sankirtan. Without this we can not expect Lord Caitanya’s movement to spread at all.
Since Srila Prabhupada disappeared from our material vision ISKCON have destroyed the sankirtan movement and everything is simply going backwards. Kali is getting a stronger and stronger hold and Lord Caitanya’s golden age is getting farther and farther away…
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
your article was great..i want a clarification on a doubt of mine regarding Lord Vishnu’s Kalki avatar. My grandfather says that Kalki is the personification of destruction, rather than Shri Krishna’s human avatar. Could this be true?
i am glad i was born in Kali Yuga. This is the best yuga to be born in as Lord Vishnu said that he will appear in the form of a saint to inaugurate the sankirtana movement. People who are blessed are born in the kali yuga. In Kali Yuga, getting moksha is easier than in other yugas.
Somewhere above, someone had said that what if he died suddenly and could not chant Hari Prabhu’s name. What one should ideally do is keep chanting Prabhu’s name when we are ready to sleep. Once we fall asleep, our mind will continue chanting the name all night. Even when we wake up, we will keep chanting his name unconsciously. This happens with me often. Train your mind to chant Hari’s name. It will become your second nature.May God grant us place in his lotus feet.
Krishna Prabhu.
people, forget about the end of the world. life will not last long… Jesus is coming!
“Hare Krishna”
I believe kali yuga is about to end…because it feels like it. So many bad things are happening and…i believe that 2010-2016 is the transition phase between kali yuga and satya yuga. Which is when I believe all the bad and “good” things will be happening. People say its going to end on a specific date..but i believe It is just a cycle and..2012 is just the peak of the transition phase. When there is corruption and all those things. I believe krishna is coming soon…If hes not coming in a incarnation…i believe krishna conciousness will be awakened within most people in the whole world…and create a huge change. I dont believe this will be the end of the world but..a very bad time coming ahead…But…with the power the universe within u…i think everyone can survive and make a good change. I havn’t traveled to many places..i havent read ancient scriptures or anything…I’ve done basic things…but meditate ofcourse at home daily…Nothing big…But i did look into many things that people have said..and many things that religion has wrote..and put it all together…and then put my own thoughts into it. I believe there is going to be a big change in human conciousness and we will evolve. I believe anything is possible. Open your mind and listen to your heart and think about whats going on in the world. Everything is growing exponentially and changing rapidly. We must try to reach krishna within us. We must tell ourselves that we should be free in this money hungry world. The world is like this because the majority is asking for it. Nothin against the person who wrote this article…but i believe what u wrote is just going to happen sooner thats all…just time difference…If u believe in yourself you can survive through everything..Nothing can be destroyed…We Need Change. The world as it is..is already messed up..the people who live on would not realize it unless we slow it down and think about everything..and know that everything has a reason and has a story. Namaste…Best Wishes to all of you:)…Change might come or it may not..Just be brave and be prepared. Have Krishna in your heart always…keep meditating if you can:).
Karttikeya
Namaste.I feel that 2012 should not be overlooked based on other sacred teachings. I dont see it as the end of the world but a birth on consciousness. A chance to get a glimpse of the higher way. Like Jesus said ” many are called bt few are chosen” For the masses this could be an alignment of consciousness universally. There are writings dating back over 20 thousand years ago that speek of time loops repeating and those beings that are stuck in the material illisions will be hars for them to focus on Godhead at the time of this awakening.Thoth in the Emerald Tablets is a great writing that should be looked at. Krishna my Lord has guided me to this info. If anyone out there interested in seeking these understandings based on the Vedic teachings, The Gita and others, please contact because the truth is all i seek and understanding where words get lost in translation. Hare Krishna
FRIEND MADHUVISA DAS…..
THERE IS A BIG SIMILARITY WITH KALKI AVATAR COMING TO EARTH
AND THE SECOND CONIMG OF LORD JESUS CHRIST
THEY BOTH WILL COME WITH A WHITE HORSE AND A SWORD
TO RESYORE RELIGION AND GIVE JOY TO THE WORLD …
DOES IT HAVE THEY SAME TIME TABLE OR DOES IT HAVE ITS OWN PLACE AND TIME…..
KIND OF HARD TO KNOW FOR THE LORD HAS ITS TIME TABLE…
WHAT DO YOU THINK….GRACIAS….HARIBOL
Hare Krishna Franco
What is described in the Revelations chapter of the bible about God coming on a white horse at the end of time is a descrioption of the Kalki Avatar. Not Jesus Christ.
Jesus went to India and studied the Vedas in his youth and returned to preach in his early 20s. So Jesus is preaching the Vedic principles in a way they can be understood by the people in his part of the world.
So he has mentioned the Kalki avatara also.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Jai shree Krishan.
First of all, I would like to thanks to all of you who has answered my question.
I hv red in your reply about Lord Vishnu’s Kalki avatar in kali yuga, That’s why you dont beleave in the end of world in 2012. as lord Vishnu’s Kalki avtar had not took placed yet.
But with all due recpect to your thoughts, If you have gone through the Sikh religion history. There already had been a Kalki Avtar a guru ji (Guru Gobind Singh Ji.)He was a great warrior who has distroyed the nagtive energy from the earth and protect the humanity (for more details you must got through there Literature.)
With all due respect… YOu beleave that Kalki Atatar had not happen yet so the world cannot end in 2012.. I request you that pls dont take it in wrong way I am just writing what comes in my mind after reading the replies
Hare Krishna Nikhil
Kalki has not come yet. He will not come until the end of the Kali-yuga. And that will not be for another couple of hundred thousand years…
Dont worry, the world is not ending in 2012…
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
hari om …..let all be happy do not send any any negative energies passing nonsense comments about the end of the earth.
Hare Krishna
Hari Om
Belive in Shri Krishna and THE ALMIGHTY{ONLY LORD KRISHNA} WOULD HELP UOU , GUIDE YOU , FULLFILL YOUR DREAMS TOO.
HARI OM NARAYAN NARAYAN NARAYAN NARAYAN .
Mother Nature’s Atom Bomb
The death problem is also not solved. None of the scientific knowledge of the human being has solved the death problem. The advancement of material knowledge can simply accelerate the problem of dying; nobody can save a person from the cruel hands of death. The discovery of the atom bomb and similar other great inventions of the fertile brain of the scientist has simply increased the death problem. The foolish scientists do not know that the atom bomb is actually the scheme of Mother Nature, who is sure to kill the demoniac population when it increases disproportionately.
Modern economists also believe in the laws of nature and confirm that unrestricted birth increases in the human population will certainly result in famine, pestilence, epidemics, and war. So, the so-called civilized states’ plan of killing human beings by atomic and hydrogen bombs is actually the plan of Mother Nature to punish the foolish miscreants.
Everything is automatically executed by Mother Nature as soon as the human being is in violation of her laws. However, foolish people, out of their undue vanity, think that the plan is made by them. To execute her stringent punishment, Mother Nature dictates to the human brain the ability to invent the atomic bomb. Foolishly, the human being wants to take the credit for such inventions, which are meant only for punishment. We learn this fact from the Bhagavad-gita (3.27), wherein it is said that everything is done by prakrti or Mother Nature. But the foolish living entity, puffed up by the vanity of learning, falsely considers himself the Creator.
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Haribol Haribol…MADHUDVISA DAS..
May Krishna help mankind cross this kaliyuga wisely..this year 2010 started with a full moon
krishna s smile a blessing…i wonder could you talk about this topic…if Vyasadev..Vasudeva Parasurama …Lord Siva..meditates …there in the himalayas….how many more ..then at kalki avatar s appearence on earth they will be active in satya yuga….could you coment please.
Greetings dear prabhus & of course please accept my humble obeisances.
Now there’s a movie ‘2012′ - and I suppose it’s one of those “…had to happen” things. My friends tell me the special-effects are AOK, however they are also telling me the storyline is simply pure nonsense. I managed to watch the previews, and there WAS one thing that got this reporter’s attention (mercifully for you, sans the beret & the airhorn).
Someone, some “voice” –whether it was purported to be the Voice of God or perhaps some God-inspired government or spiritual leader–stated something to the effect that the “end” of the world would be stopped if people simply pulled together and stopped fighting each another.
Apparently that statement and the circumstances surrounding it got peoples’ attention (at least in the movie it did); the movie of yore, ‘The Day The Earth Stood Still’ accomplished the very same thing, albeit the circumstances hadn’t deteriorated to the point of “proof-positive” in the movie ‘2012′ i.e., the collective karma of that year now washing ashore.
So, yeah, prabhus, we’ve got a little time-window here before the firestorms and other uspeakable horrors befall us at Kali’s end. However…many, perhaps all, of the doomsdayers/doomsayers either don’t know this, nor do many if not all of them even care to; for them it may be a case of 2012 being the “end-times to end all end-times”, and one may only surf the internet to read some of their takes on the matter: stockpile weapons, buy gold, plant seeds, yatta-datta–and as vaishnavas we know that completely misses the point. There is, however, a little grain of hope here amidst all the madness and assorted screwballs and fanatics with the “sheep vs the goats” theory (eternal heaven or eternal hell). That grain of hope is that at least some people seem to be getting a handle on an absolute truth of spiritual life: we do indeed reap what we sow–and if we want a better crop, we’ve gotta plant better seeds! So maybe the movie ‘2012′ will accomplish a bit of good–or more, if it gets people to start to think that maybe there’s a better way to live, and we just can’t keep pointing the finger of blame at the supposed bad guys without performing our own individual spiritual house-cleaning.
on a lighter note…Will Raj the wannabe pseudo-devotee with his flowery words check out this flick?
~ehhh…probably wait for it to come out on Blockbusters.
Be well & God bless, prabhus.
yus,
bhakta raj prabhu Das
2012 what the government is doing/planning.
and why
on nat’l tv
watch all 6 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOWWIDT910I
or search YouTube
conspiracy theory 21012
HARE KRISHNA !
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha
My humble pranams. To clear the doubts of some bhakthas about the yuga cycle, I wish to provide the following information:
ONE COSMIC DAY OF CREATOR BRAHMA
(as per Hindu scriptures, particularly the Srimad-Bhagavatam)
•The one day is divided into 14 periods. Six such periods are over. We are now in the 7th.
•Each period is named after the One Ruler who is appointed to rule the entire earthly world during that period. The generic name for such a ruler is Manu. The period is called a Manvantara.
•The name of the present Manu is Vaivasvata, the son of the Sun-God.
•How long is the day of Brahma ? (4.32 billion years)
•What is the present age of this universe ?
•What is the Hindu concept of Time ?
Names of the manvantaras of this day of Brahma upto the present seventh.
(each manvantara is of duration 306,720,000 human years)
1.Svaayambhuva Beginning of Creation
Dhruva Episode
Descent of the Lord as Half-man-half- lion to blessPrahlada
2.Svaarochisha The Episode of King Suratha
3. Uttama
4.Taamasa The Episode of Gajendra, the elephant-devotee
5. Raivata
6. Chaakshusha The churning of the Ocean of milk
7. Vaivasvata PRESENT MANVANTARA
There are seven more manvantaras to go in the future
We are in the 7th manvantara .
Each manvantara is divided into 71 maha-yugas.
We are in the 28th maha-yuga of this manvantara.
Each maha-yuga is divided into 4 yugas shown below for the current maha-yuga.
We are presently in the kaliyuga
of the 28th maha-yuga
of the 7th manvantara of Brahma’s day
(Duration of every kali-yuga = 432,000 years)
Notation a: = 432,000
Age of the Universe:
Portion of Brahma’s day elapsed so far
(till say, 2000 A.D.) consists of Duration Table
• 6 manvantara-twilights (6 x 4a)
• 6 manvantaras completed (6 x71 x10a )
• 1 manvantara-twilight before the 7th (4a )
• 27 maha-yugas past in this manvantara (27 x 10a )
• elapsed yugas in this maha-yuga ((4 + 3 + 2)a )
• 5102 years in kali-yuga
This adds up to 4567a + 5102 =
1,972,949,102 human years
This is the present (as of 2000A.D.) age of the universe in this day of Brahma Duration of Kali-yuga (a) =
432,000 (human years)
Duration of Dvapara-yuga (2a)
Duration of Treta-yuga (3a)
Duration of Satya-yuga (4a)
Duration of maha-yuga:
(a + 2a + 3a + 4a ) = 10a
Duration of manvantara: 71 x 10a
Duration of one manvantra- twilight : 4a
(one before every manvantara)
Duration of Brahma’s day:
One day of Brahma is of duration equivalent to 1000 mahayugas. His night is equally long. At the beginning of every day creation starts. At the end of the day all that was created merge in the Absolute and Brahma ’sleeps’ as it were. 360 such days and nights make one year of Brahma. According to the Puranas, He has spent 50 years like this and this day is the first day in his fifty-first year!
One day of Brahma = 14 manvantaras + 15 manvantara twilights
(because there is an extra manvantara - twilight at the end of all the 14 manvantaras)
= 14 x 71 mahayugas + 15 x 4
= 994 mahayugas + 60
= 994 mahayugas + 6 mahayugas
= 1000 mahayugas
= 1000 x10 = 4,320,000,000 human years.
One ’second’ of Brahma
= 4,320,000,000 / 12×60x60
= 100,000 human years
‘Back to the future’ Story:
Names of the remaining seven (future) manvantaras of this day of Brahma
• 8 Saavarni ———— ——->
• 9 Daksha-saavarni
• 10 Brahma-saavarni
• 11 Dharma-saavarni
• 12 Rudra-saavarni
• 13 Deva-saavarni
• 14 Indra-saavarni
after which cosmic night will follow The next Manu (i.e., the eighth) will be Saavarni. This promise was made by Mother Goddess to one King Suratha during the second Manvantara. To him (and another) the triple story of Mother Goddess is narrated in the Devi-bhagavatam ( also Chandi or Durg A-saptasati ). The story begins from a mythological event that happened after the end of the last kalpa (= day of Brahma) and ends up by forecasting the feats of Mother Goddess that are yet to happen in this kalpa. One such is the prediction that Suratha will be born as Manu Saavarni.
BACK TO THE FUTURE
(Source: Srimad-Bhagavatam, IX - 3)
In the mid-satya-yuga of the first maha-yuga of the present manvantara i.e., around 115 million years ago there lived a King of the Solar dynasty, by name Kakudmi, and his beautiful daughter Revati. Not trusting the astrologers of his time, yet believing in the maxim ‘marriages are made in heaven’ Kakudmi took his daughter to the celestial world of Brahma the Creator (Note: in every satya-yuga such journeys are supposed to be possible) in order to ask the Creator Himself as to who would be the right marital match for his daughter. Kakudmi had somebody in his own mind. But Lord Brahma was available to him only after a twenty minutes or so of waiting time (by the standards of that world). When Kakudmi finally had the opportunity to ask Brahma his question, Brahma laughed and said:
My dear Kakudmi, from the time you came here your earthly world has passed through 27 maha-yugas and so none of whom you have in mind or their descendents are alive now. Right now people are enjoying the avatara (=descent) of Lord Krishna on the Earth. Go back and marry off your daughter to Balarama, the elder brother of Krishna’.
Thus it was that Kakudmi and Revati travelled ‘back to their future’ — from the 1st mahayuga to the 27th — and Revati was married to Balarama.
Note: 1 mahayuga = 43.2 ’seconds’ for Brahma.
THE CONCEPT OF TIME
The flow of Time is eternal. Creation and Dissolution are only two events in a long cyclic succession of Cosmic events. There is no beginning in the past and there is no end to the future. Creation is a manifestation in concrete terms of the Absolute. Dissolution is when all the created universe merges in the Absolute. And that is when the period of non-manifestation begins. The periods of manifestation and of non-manifestation alternate. These are the days and nights of Brahma.
Brahma Himself is a manifestation of the Absolute. He has a life of 100 years in His time.
Between one kalpa (technical name for Brahma’s day) and the next, the only thing that survive are, Brahma himself (who has to be ‘brought back to memory’, by the Absolute, after his ’sleep’ !), the vedas in their latent form and the collected aggregate of vaasanaas (imprints of actions and thoughts) of all individual souls. Just as each kalpa is followed by another kalpa with an intervening Cosmic Night, so also one Brahma is followed by another Brahma.
Jai Sri Krishna
THIS AGE of Kaliyuga HAS A GREAT BLESSING….OF HOPE….
There was once a humble man of god who came in search of us
with all the love in his heart to show the world love of Krishna…
He came with no material opulence fighting for his life on the way to America…
All by himself helping people out of drugs out of maya in complete
ignorance…starting with a little place where he could teach pure love of godhead
showing people to chant Krishna s name…and teaching the lords pastime s..
and after the years went by printing so many books and opening temple s
and the hearts of so many all over the world…
This humble man was really not alone for he always prayed to lord Krishna
to help him…and Krishna provided his task of translating for us in so little time not sleeping in time s always thinking in our benefit…only a pure devotee could do so…
helping mankind to grow from animal life to became a spiritual being…
I WILL ALWAYS BE THANKFUL TO THIS GREAT HUMBLE MAN,,,for his love to human race…for his love to his Spiritual Master Bhaktisiddhanta Swami following his instruction to come to america and to the world and show us what was missing in our hearts…
Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu s Simplified the process
to return to godhead and Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
gave us this precious gift in this difficult age of Kaliyuga…
Eternal thanks again to again to this Great Humble Soul..
JAYA GURUDEVA…JAYA BHAKTIAVATAR…..JAYA GOVINDA…. JAYA PRABHUPADA…
Reply
it has been discussed in the above article that the total age of the universe is 4.3 billion yrs. but the modern scientific data says that the current age of the universe is betweeen 13.5-14 billion yrs. in fact the age of the earth is around 4.54 billion yrs. I am totally confused. Please clarify.
HARE KRISHNA
Science is always changing its mind about these these things. That means they do not know actually. It is all based on speculation and theories. They have no idea of the actual truth.
The exact, correct and unchanging facts you can find in the Vedas.
Very roughly the universe lasts for the lifetime of Lord Brahma. He is born and creates it from the elements supplied by Krishna and he lives for 100 years and then dies. He is about 1/2 way through his life. His day is 1000 catu-yuga cycles of 4,300,000 years. His night is another thousand cycles. So just one day and night for Lord Brahma is 8,600,000,000. So that 4.54 billion years is only one day of Lord Brahma. At the end of Lord Brahma’s days there is a partial devastation of the lower planets in the universe. Basically they are flooded. But the planets remain and everything is fixed up again when Lord Brahma wakes up the next morning.
So the scientists are very wrong with this 13.5 billion year figure. That is only 1.5 days of Lord Brahma and he lives for 100 years, each year is having 12 months of 30 days. And that is the total duration of the universe and we are about half way through at the moment.
So the actual age of the universe at the moment [very roughly] is (4,300,000 * 1,000 * 2 * 30 * 12 * 100) / 2 = 103,200,000,000,000
I don’t know how you would say that number… It is a big number…
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
the world will never and
Hello AMIGO Madhudvisa,,das,..hello everyone….
I would like to coment that it would be well come for ALL the devotees around the world to hear all theses 500 hundred recordings iN what ever cuality they may be… they must be digitalize preserved and benefit the many people that may do…Such as the known videos benefited many people like me to understand in a direct way the knowlegde he left us…..
Srila Prabhupada complet works must be expposed for he is one of Greatest Writers of all times it is previlige to know his translations…of the old texts of the krishna understanding…. is not easy…..for many may try but many may get it wrong …not only a traslation is needed… but to extract of the scriptures in its the reel meaning hold in Sastras…only he had the pureness to explain it….in a simple way.
…..ALL THIS KNOWLEDGE IS FOR THE REEL EVOLUTION OF THE HUMAN RACE….
………….My humble eternal respects to this Humbe Holy Man…………..
Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada left an important legacy for all future and present generations….for the human race its so important…its not just any information…it is really finding out finally the puzzule…of the world the understanding of hiding things…and where you belong…and all things you ignored ..really finding a beatiful sunrise.
It is the ticket out of the material world….it is the main knowlege human being needs to really be happy and be wise..all the holy scritures of the world show us the word of god in all his names…not one say stay here be happy we must prepare We must tracend spiritualy
Were ever there is a temple in the world it is really also a piece of my spiritual master
for when ever he bath the Deity s with yogurth with all the festivity of the moment.
Oferings…incence …Sacret fire …Water…Prasadam …Chants …Cartals….Mercy…. Compassion…. Sacrifice ….kirtans… Joy…..Happiness… knowlegde….YOU made every place a place of joy for the lord for he had arrived…
that is what he give to us pure love of Krishna.
….IMAGINE…IF WITH ALL THE KNOW VIDEOS LETTERS AUDIO RECORDINGS TV PROGRAMS ETC had such an influence on young and mature people…
in all this information in films audios.. anything thats important to show the world the complete view of his work here on earth ….
its so important to complete all he s work… so every one knows…what he did …what he said….how he said it …how he felt it ..how he may seem in extasis in Sannasi Spirit
all that and recieveing also all his books…He s many master piece s in the world of liturature…. Bhagavad gita…Sridmad Bhagavatam…..Chaitanya Caritmmrita….AND MANY MORE….
i hope the wise man in ISKON …will give a positive a answer…..it may give an impulse to the movent…devotees would be anxios …to recieve extra spiritual information like lighting a candale…..and maybe many more days may devotees join more and work together for the sake of Krishna for the human race for the sake of the spiritual master.
………….Finally i pray lord Krishna to give us service at his lotus feet………..
…..your friend…
If once we achieve salvation ,then do we again come into this material world again in another cycle or we do stay with mahavishnu for infinite time???
If you go back home, back to Godhead. To Krishna, you do not come back again to the material world. If you get impersonal liberation that is ultimately not satisfying so you will again fall back down to the material world after some time.