NASA Moon Landing Hoax — Explained by Srila Prabhupada
The Main Point
“Apart from this discussion, the point is that a living entity has immense and unlimited desires for material enjoyment, and he has to transmigrate from one gross body to another until these desires are exhausted.” (SB 4.29.69 purport)
“Even you go to the Moon planet… This is Bhāgavata. Before going to your Moon planet here is the information: “Anywhere you go rascal these things will follow, janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi [Bg. 13.9] and inconveniences. You’ll have to suffer.” So one’s who’s, one who is intelligent, then: “Where shall I find real happiness?” That is Kṛṣṇa. Therefore one requires to be very, very intelligent to become Kṛṣṇa conscious.” (Room Conversation — November 1, 1973, New Delhi)
Can’t travel 95,000,000 miles in four days at 18,000 mph.
“My challenge is that moon is beyond the sun. First planet is sun, and then moon. So if the sun is 93,000,000 miles and moon is above the sun 1,600,000, then how they can go to the moon planet in four days? It requires seven and a half months. That is my challenge.” (Room Conversation — January 30, 1977, Bhuvanesvara)
“We have already discussed this point in many places. The sun is first, then the moon, then Mars, Jupiter and so on. The sun is supposed to be 93,000,000 miles above the surface of the earth, and from the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam we understand that the moon is 1,600,000 miles above the sun. Therefore the distance between the earth and the moon would be about 95,000,000 miles. So if a space capsule were traveling at the speed of 18,000 miles per hour, how could it reach the moon in four days? At that speed, going to the moon would take at least seven months. That a space capsule on a moon excursion has reached the moon in four days is therefore impossible.” (SB 8.10.38 purport)
“So far we understand from Vedic literature, the moon is the second planet. The sun is the first planet. If we consider like that, then moon is beyond the sun planet. The estimation is there in the Srimad-Bhag avatam: 1,600,000 miles above the sun the moon is situated. Now, if we take consideration of the sun planet situated 93,000,000 miles from earth, then add 1,600,000 miles again, it comes to 15,000,000…, 95,000,000’s miles away from the earthly planet. And how you can reach there in four days, 95,000,000 miles away? If we apply our common sense, then it appears they have never gone to the moon planet. It is all bogus propaganda. It is not possible.”
Devotee: Did they actually land on the moon, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No, they cannot go there. What is the question of landing? They cannot go there. It is far, far away. What you calculated? 1,600,000 miles away, up the sun planet. 1,600,000 miles above the sun. According to your calculation, the sun is away from this planet by 93,000,000 miles. And above that, 1,600,000 miles. Then you go to the moon. How it is possible? (Morning Walk — May 27, 1975, Honolulu)
Not going to the moon but to the planet Rahu.
“The failure of modern moon excursionists may be due to the Rahu planet. In other words, those who are supposed to be going to the moon may actually be going to this invisible planet Rahu. Actually, they are not going to the moon but to the planet Rahu, and after reaching this planet, they come back. Apart from this discussion, the point is that a living entity has immense and unlimited desires for material enjoyment, and he has to transmigrate from one gross body to another until these desires are exhausted.” (SB 4.29.69 purport)
If they went there, they wouldn’t want to come back.
Prabhupāda: …it is a common sense affair that if somebody takes the trouble of doing so many things for the last ten or twenty years and go there and touch the moon planet, come back, it is successful. So it may be complacence for him, but I don’t think it is success. Why should I take so much trouble to touch the moon planet, come back? (chuckling) I have no useless time for that thing.
Reporter: Well, I think that what you’re saying, that it is also not strictly impossible for someone to go there and be able to come back, that many conditions would have to change for them to do that, but you wouldn’t rule out as impossible. Is that right?
Prabhupāda: No. Actually, if anyone goes there, he’ll not like to come back. …Otherwise, he will give false information, that “I went there and touched it and came back.” (Interview with LA Times Reporter About Moon Trip — December 26, 1968, Los Angeles)
Reporter: Well, I think that what you’re saying, that it is also not strictly impossible for someone to go there and be able to come back, that many conditions would have to change for them to do that, but you wouldn’t rule out as impossible. Is that right?
Prabhupāda: No. Actually, if anyone goes there, he’ll not like to come back. …Otherwise, he will give false information, that “I went there and touched it and came back.” (Interview with LA Times Reporter About Moon Trip — December 26, 1968, Los Angeles)
As simple as the days of the week
“Among the planets, the first is Surya, the sun, not the moon. Therefore, according to the Vedic version, the modern astronomer’s proposition that the moon is nearest to the earth should not be accepted. The chronological order in which people all over the world refer to the days of the week–Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday–corresponds to the Vedic order of the planets and thus circumstantiates the Vedic version.” (SB 8.18.5 purport)
How can we believe that the maintainer of vegetation has no vegetation on his own planet?
“It is understood from this verse that the predominating deity of the moon is the maintainer of all the trees and plants throughout the universe. It is due to the moonshine that trees and plants grow very luxuriantly. Therefore how can we accept the so-called scientists whose moon expeditions have informed us that there are no trees or vegetation on the moon? Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura says, somo vrksadhisthata sa eva vrksanam raja: Soma, the predominating deity of the moon, is the king of all vegetation. How can we believe that the maintainer of vegetation has no vegetation on his own planet?” (SB 6.4.6, purport)
“So moon is not desert. These are simply rascals. They do not know anything, and rascals believe that the moon is desert, and the sun is desert. Only this planet is full of variety and beauty. No. We have to take lessons from the sastras.” (Garden Conversation, October 9th, 1976, Aligarh)
“From the descriptions in this verse, we can make an educated guess about the nature of the flames on the moon. Like the sun, the moon must also be full of flames because without flames there cannot be illumination. The flames on the moon, however, unlike those on the sun, must be mild and pleasing. This is our conviction. The modern theory that the moon is full of dust is not accepted in the verses of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.” (SB 5.20.13 purport)
Can’t just build a staircase to heaven!
Madhudviṣa: The demons are trying to go to the heavenly planets by building their skyscrapers higher and higher.
Prabhupāda: Rāvaṇa’s, Rāvaṇa’s staircase for going to the heaven. He promised that “Oh, what is the use of austerity? I shall make a staircase directly. You can go.” As their… It is the same, Rāvaṇa’s staircase and the modern attempt to go to the moon planet, the same thing. They will never be able to go, but imagining that “We shall do it.” The same process, Rāvaṇa’s process.
Prabhupāda: Rāvaṇa’s, Rāvaṇa’s staircase for going to the heaven. He promised that “Oh, what is the use of austerity? I shall make a staircase directly. You can go.” As their… It is the same, Rāvaṇa’s staircase and the modern attempt to go to the moon planet, the same thing. They will never be able to go, but imagining that “We shall do it.” The same process, Rāvaṇa’s process.
Moon rocks should also be shinning
Guru kṛpā: The all-American family. If the moon is illuminating the earth at night, then how come you have brought back dull pieces of rock. They should have also been shining.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is a common sense.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is a common sense.
Real science vs. fake science
Śrutakīrti: The planets are not orbiting the sun.
Prabhupāda: No, no. They have got their different orbits.
Guru kṛpā: This is real science, to know these facts.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guru kṛpā: So how can you prove that?
Prabhupāda: Vedic literature.
Prabhupāda: No, no. They have got their different orbits.
Guru kṛpā: This is real science, to know these facts.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guru kṛpā: So how can you prove that?
Prabhupāda: Vedic literature.
(Morning Walk — May 27, 1975, Honolulu )
Laboratory work bluff
Prabhupāda: …First of all I said that they might have gone to the Rahu planet.
Harikeśa: Yes, the Fourth Canto.
Prabhupāda: Yes. First of all my conviction: they have gone nowhere. They have simply stayed in their laboratory, that’s all.
Indian man: Anyone can do that, bring some pictures and bring a rock.
Paramahaṁsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, I think somebody might have told you before, but there was a big scandal right after the moon shot when they said they went to the moon and…, that it was all staged in the desert of Arizona, that they…
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the fact.
Bali-mardana: When Puruṣottama heard that, he blooped. (Devotees continue laughing.)
Harikeśa: Yes, the Fourth Canto.
Prabhupāda: Yes. First of all my conviction: they have gone nowhere. They have simply stayed in their laboratory, that’s all.
Indian man: Anyone can do that, bring some pictures and bring a rock.
Paramahaṁsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, I think somebody might have told you before, but there was a big scandal right after the moon shot when they said they went to the moon and…, that it was all staged in the desert of Arizona, that they…
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the fact.
Bali-mardana: When Puruṣottama heard that, he blooped. (Devotees continue laughing.)
(Morning Walk, June 2nd, 1975, Honolulu)
Prabhupāda: They invented stories for going to the moon planet.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yeah, they’re making stories about everything.
Prabhupāda: A small toy sputnik, background, a big picture, and photograph.
Prabhupāda: A small toy sputnik, background, a big picture, and photograph.
(Talk with Svarūpa Dāmodara—June 20, 1977, Vṛndāvana)
Dr. Patel: I have heard that the man could have first landed on moon and then…
Prabhupada: Nobody landed. This is all bogus. (Morning Walk, November 3rd, 1975, Bombay)
“Don’t expose me. I will not expose you.”
Prabhupāda: Yes. Simply propaganda. They are not going. Now the Russian scientist and American scientist are combined. Because both of them thieves, so one thief is asking, “Don’t expose me. I will not expose you, so that our business will go on.” This is the way. “Let us combine together and cheat these rascals, and otherwise, if you expose me, then I will expose you. Then our business will stop.”
We have got our faith in Kṛṣṇa, they have got their faith in scientists.
Prabhupāda: [break] And if we don’t believe that they have gone to moon planet, they will reject us. They will immediately take as “Oh, these people are crazy.” Even if you give sufficient reason or argument, they will not take it. That is their obstinacy.
Rāmeśvara: They’re convinced by the photographs.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Rāmeśvara: They have some photographs of the men in the spacesuits walking around on that other planet.
Kīrtanānanda: But they are convinced because the scientists have told them. They believe the scientists. They have faith, and the scientists can tell them anything, and they’ll believe it.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is…. That is the disease.
Kīrtanānanda: They have put faith. Everyone has faith. You cannot live without having faith in somebody. So they put their faith in the scientists, and we are saying it is wrong.
Hari-śauri: Nobody could possibly believe that the scientists would cheat them. They think they are very intelligent, honest men.
Prabhupāda: No, we have got our faith—in Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, they have got their faith—in scientists.
Rāmeśvara: They’re convinced by the photographs.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Rāmeśvara: They have some photographs of the men in the spacesuits walking around on that other planet.
Kīrtanānanda: But they are convinced because the scientists have told them. They believe the scientists. They have faith, and the scientists can tell them anything, and they’ll believe it.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is…. That is the disease.
Kīrtanānanda: They have put faith. Everyone has faith. You cannot live without having faith in somebody. So they put their faith in the scientists, and we are saying it is wrong.
Hari-śauri: Nobody could possibly believe that the scientists would cheat them. They think they are very intelligent, honest men.
Prabhupāda: No, we have got our faith—in Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, they have got their faith—in scientists.
(Morning Walk—June 11, 1976, Los Angeles)
They have gone to moon planet. Then our whole propaganda, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, becomes bogus.
Prabhupāda: Kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ. “In this age, Kali-yuga, all śūdras.” Therefore they accept everything cheaply and at once, the śūdras.
Śyāmasundara: Cheaply and at once?
Prabhupāda: At once. Yes. The newspaper said that “Mr. such and such went to moon planet.” Oh, immediately believe. See? A newspaper, ten cent worth newspaper. And in the Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa says, yānti deva vratā devān: [Bg. 9.25] “One who can… One can go to the demigods planets by worshiping them. You can go, yānti deva vratā devān, as others. Similarly, one can come to Me by worshiping Me.” Mad yājino ‘pi yānti mām. So they never worshiped Chandra, and how they can go to the Chandra planet, or moon planet? Then Kṛṣṇa is false. Kṛṣṇa is imperfect. They become perfect. They are defying Kṛṣṇa’s instruction. They have gone to moon planet. Then our whole propaganda, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, becomes bogus. Therefore I always protest.
Sudāmā: They have not gone.
Prabhupāda: They have not gone. We have got our tests. I am speaking from the very beginning, “They have not gone.”
Śyāmasundara: Cheaply and at once?
Prabhupāda: At once. Yes. The newspaper said that “Mr. such and such went to moon planet.” Oh, immediately believe. See? A newspaper, ten cent worth newspaper. And in the Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa says, yānti deva vratā devān: [Bg. 9.25] “One who can… One can go to the demigods planets by worshiping them. You can go, yānti deva vratā devān, as others. Similarly, one can come to Me by worshiping Me.” Mad yājino ‘pi yānti mām. So they never worshiped Chandra, and how they can go to the Chandra planet, or moon planet? Then Kṛṣṇa is false. Kṛṣṇa is imperfect. They become perfect. They are defying Kṛṣṇa’s instruction. They have gone to moon planet. Then our whole propaganda, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, becomes bogus. Therefore I always protest.
Sudāmā: They have not gone.
Prabhupāda: They have not gone. We have got our tests. I am speaking from the very beginning, “They have not gone.”
Even If
“Accepting they reached the moon planet, they might have gone to the part where it is desert or barren land, because in each and every planet there is such possibility. In our, this planet also, when I was passing through the Suez Canal, it is horrible desert. So if somebody drops in that Arabian desert and concludes that there is no living entity in this planet, it is simply foolish. Similarly, these people are going, maybe going… First of all, I don’t believe they have gone, frankly speaking. Even they have gone, they are landing in some part of the moon planet where there is no inhabitation.” (Lecture: Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.6 — Bombay, November 6, 1970)
You should not go to modern scientists for perfect knowledge
“If you are looking for some excuse to doubt, then maya will always provide you. So this or that you may find out something flaw if you want. But Krsna says surrender unto Me and I will give you all protection, perfect knowledge of everything. You should not go to modern scientists for perfect knowledge. They cannot supply that. Krsna will supply you. Of course, sometimes there is allegorical reference in the Vedas, just like the body is called the city of nine gates, like that, so we may sometimes misunderstand due to our imperfect reading. Even it is true that they have landed on the moon, so what is their accomplishment? If I come to Earth planet and land in the Sahara desert, then I say, “Oh, this planet is a barren desert, no one lives here?” The moon may be like that or like this, so what does that help to our Krsna consciousness movement. We have nothing to do with moon planet or this planet and that planet in Krsna consciousness. We simply want to serve to Krsna, that’s all. Do not be disturbed by these things. Simply go on with your work in positive mood. That will be best for you and for other also. After all intelligence to understand Krsna is not within the range of your material senses. You cannot make any experiments and calculations and expect to find Krsna. But if somehow or other you are fortunate enough to find out a pure devotee of the Lord, then you get opportunity to him, and as you surrender Krsna gives you the intelligence by which you may come to him, that is sure. No other process will give us any intelligence to understand things as they are, except Krsna consciousness.” (1977 Correspondence: September: Letter)
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They are all cheating. The Indians may not know they are cheating. They just do what the Americans tell them to, and they just believe what the Americans say. First one the Indians put it up but NASA tracked it and it was NASA that told the Indians they discovered water on the moon…
America is the leader. So when America fakes space, then others will follow. Certainly China has followed and put out outrageously fake space missions. So let us see how honest / dishonest India actually is. Maybe they will give us a fake CGI moon landing also?
How about the present Artemis mission . Will they fake this one too
NASA is in a VERY DIFFICULT position. They can’t go more than a few hundred miles up. And they don’t want to admit they faked the Apollo missions. Yes. With today’s technology they could fake a fabulous moon landing. But the problem is, once they land on the moon, we people on earth are going to expect them to do something on the moon to show us that they are up there. After all moon is very close. And if they are on the moon, it is very easy for them to do something on the moon that anyone on earth with a simple telescope can see. But they can’t go to the moon, they can’t do anything on the moon. So they will be found out.
This time the public are not so naive as in the 1960s… Then most people just believed what they saw on the TV was true, just because it was on the TV.
Today we are different. And this is a problem for NASA.
So they will just keep pushing the date forward. They will never be able to go, and they will never be able to fake going to the moon, as they won’t be able to do anything on the moon to prove they are there and everyone will know NASA just faked it again…
There are 6 reflectors on the moon. You can literally bounce your own light off them and get it back. Sticking to this conspiracy even today is just silly. Of course, we went to the moon, several times.
It is rubbish. You just believe what NASA says.
I have personally VERY deeply investigated this story. They are called “Retro-reflectors” and they are one foot square. That is 30cm x 30cm…
My investigations started at Siding Springs observatory in Australia. They were one of the only 3 locations from which this experiment was regularly conducted on a full-time basis. I spoke to the scientist in charge of this experiment and he flatly told me that although they were in the best location in the world, theoretically, for performing this experiment, they were never able to conclusively prove the reflectors existed on the moon. The problem is the moon is itself a reflector. And the other problem is they use a green laser and fire it at the moon, but how to tell if some green light comes into the sensor, if it is actually reflected from the moon, or if it is just green light from somewhere else? It is a great problem. Because within the white light there is also green light…
This is such a problem that it is actually impossible to perform this experiment. Because there is ALWAYS green light hitting the sensor…..
You would imagine that to perform this experiment you would flash your laser at the reflector on the moon and then after the correct time your sensor in the telescope would detect a green flash from the moon. But that doesn’t work, unfortunately. Because there is always green light hitting the sensor. So the experiment does not work in the way one would normally imagine it would be performed.
So what they do is they calculate the exact moment after the laser is flashed, based on their predetermined distance from the earth to the moon, and the speed of light, when they expect the flash from the reflector on the moon to enter the telescope. And only at that instant do they open the sensor. And if there is green light… They say they have got a hit. They have got a reflection from the reflector on the moon.
But, unfortunately, it really doesn’t matter where they point on the moon, even if they point hundreds of miles away from where there is a reflector, they get the same results….
So the experiment is another case of NASA lies unfortunately. Even if there were reflectors on the moon we would not be able to detect a reflection from a 30cm x 30cm mirror on the moon from earth after the light makes a round trip of half a million miles.
Also later on I went to the US observatory where they were doing this experiment and I sat there with the technicians doing it for a few days. And even did it myself. So I have real, hands on experience with this experiment. And even in the US they admitted it is very hit and miss. They could go for months without getting any ‘returns’. A ‘return’ is what they say when they think they have detected a reflection from the mirror on the moon. And they have the embarrassing problem of getting the same number of returns when the telescope is not even pointed at one of these 30cm x 30cm mirrors.
There, in the US, they were using a telescope with a 1 foot diameter mirror. So laser beam, coming out of the telescope on the earth was about 12 inches wide, 30cm. And not particularly bright. You can see the green laser beam of light flashing up in the sky from the telescope, but it is not superbright.
Now, it has to travel a quarter of a million miles to the moon… And it does not remain 1 foot in diameter… It spreads out… It spreads out A LOT…
So if you want you can calculate how much a 1 foot diameter laser beam will spread out over a quarter of a million miles… It will end up hundreds of miles at least in diameter.
Now you can see why this experiment can never work actually. You laser is falling on the moon over an area of 100 square miles [probably much more] and your mirror is only one foot by one foot.
Now how many photons of light from your green laser are going to hit your one foot by one foot mirror??? Only a few.
And now… It has to reflet back to your one foot diameter telescope on earth… So it will hit the sensor at the bottom of that one foot diameter telescope…
So those few photons will reflect back to earth, and even though it is a special mirror that sends the light back in the same direction as it came in, still, it will also spread out. And those few photons of green light will, hopefully some of them at least, get back to earth and be spread out over hundreds of square miles…
And your one foot diameter telescope? How many photons can you expect??? Only a few in perfect circumstances. And how to differentiate your green photons from the other green photons that are always there, impossible…
So this experiment, it is just another NASA fake. And any real scientist knows it perfectly well.
Even if these mirrors exist on the moon, there is no way to prove or disprove they are there from earth. And also, Russia claims to have put these mirrors on the moon also, and Russia does not claim to have put men on the moon. They claim to have put their mirrors on the moon by a robotic space craft…
So the whole thing is nonsense, more NASA nonsense.
In reality the moon is a reflector and if you shine a strong enough laser at the moon then it is conceivable that you could detect a reflection from the hundreds of square miles on the moon that the laser would hit and be reflected from. The amount of light from your laser reflected from the hundreds of square miles of the moon’s reflective surface will always be so much more than the reflection from your 1 foot square reflector, even if you can actually detect any reflection from the moon.
At one point NASA stopped the funding of the US based testing because they were unable to get any reliable results. So they changed their methods and told NASA now they can get perfect results, and NASA gave their funding back. So you know, it is like all science, you can pay for the results you want. So NASA want the scientists to say they can bounce their lasers off the reflectors NASA put on the moon, and NASA are prepared to pay good money for that science, but if they can’t provide that “science” then NASA cancels the funding. So what do you think they will do? Obviously they fudge the experiment to give NASA the “science” they are paying for…
“First of all, I don’t believe they have gone, frankly speaking. Even they have gone, they are landing in some part of the moon planet where there is no inhabitation.” (Lecture: Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.6 — Bombay, November 6, 1970)”
He says he doesn’t believe they went to the Moon, although now the Chinese have their own Moon Landing, then he says that even if they did go, they went to a part that is not inhabited???? Doesn’t he know that the entire planet is uninhabited and without oxygen?
No. The moon IS inhabited. It is one of the heavenly planets, the quality of life on the moon is far higher than the quality of life on Earth. So because NASA say there is no life, only dust, on the moon, we know they have not been to the moon.
O great isckon devotee please build your own spaceship and travel to the moon and prove that others are wrong and one request go there without oxygen as it is inhabited
Hare Krishna! Jaya Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja! Jaya Swami Prabhupada!
We can never accept that they are going to the Moon or sending anything there. All nonsense going on! Srila Prabhupada is very clear on this.
Hare Krishna Aman
Well if they actually go to the moon we can accept it. Prabhupada was open on this. But his opinion is they can’t go, but if they actually do go then that is OK, we will accept that. But we don’t think they can go based on our reading of the information provided in Srimad-Bhagavatam, however, we do not completely understand the information in Srimad-Bhagavatam. So our strong opinion is they can’t go. But if they actually work out how to go and do go then it is OK, we will accept it. But they have not proven that they can go. Providing some photo and some video is not proof of anything. Proof is that people can go there and work there and perform scientific experiments on the moon, etc. And moon, according to them, it is not very far away, 250,000 miles about, so as soon as they go to the moon and establish anything there, do anything there, on a reasonable scale, then the ordinary people on earth will be able to see evidence of their activities on the moon. For example if they start even a very small base on the moon and have a few people living there then they will have lights there on the moon at their base that we will be able to see from earth when that part of the moon is dark. So when we can see the lights of their moon bases and note the changes to the shapes of the moon craters as they mine it, etc, it will be obvious they are on the moon. But now they just give us a few photos.
Now India has also got a moon walk video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDqQhNYnR18
So the point is we are not sentimental religious fanatics like the Christians, we are scientific people. And it is our definite opinion that they can’t go to the moon with their rockets. But we are open to the possibility if they actually go, we don’t think it is possible, but if they do it, that is also OK by us. But they have not yet done it and for many reasons we believe they won’t be able to do it.
But if they provide actual proof they have done it then that is fine. But right now even NASA admit they can not send men out of low-earth orbit. So if they can’t send men out of low-earth orbit now they could not send them out of low-earth orbit in the 1960’s either. So Apollo manned moon missions were obviously fake, even based on NASA’s own admissions.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Yes Prabhu, you are right. We are not fanatics but scientific people.
Are you serious? You mean that if they go to the moon, build a base there and “turn on some lights” we would actually be able to see those lights from Earth? Holy my… “scientific people”.
Yes. Of course we would be able to. The moon is not that big and not that far away. And it is quite large in the sky. You can really zoom in on the moon with quite extreme magnification on even an inexpensive $600 telescope. So Yes. Any construction or development on the moon, like if they were to build a base on the moon and during dark 15 days, light up their base, then we could certainly see it from earth with one of those $600 telescopes.
You could easily floodlight one of those craters during the dark with some very strong led lights and one of Elon Musk’s powerwalls and some solar panels to charge it during the lunar day. So that bright crater would be very easily visible from earth when that was on the dark part of the moon.
How do you think we could see stars from light years away, and we can easily see craters on the moon and we can zoom in on the craters to such a high degree with a telescope, and we could not see the lights in the crater on the dark background of the moon.
So there are SO MANY ways NASA could do something on the moon that we could see from the earth. That is if they were on the moon. Problem is they can’t go to the moon, so they can’t do anything on the moon that we can see from earth.
That is why they want to skip the moon and go to Mars. Because on Mars, we could not see them. But on the moon, if they went to the moon and did anything at all significant there, that we most certainly could see it from the earth with a $600 telescope…
That is NASA’s problem. Now they have fabulous CGI, they can now do a fabulous fake moon landing version 2… But there is no why they can do anything on the moon to prove they are there. Because it is only a fake CGI moon that NASA can show us…
What is name of Jesus is this nonsense? Moon farther than the Sun ? I mean really now. I though hindus were a bit rational than Abrahamic religions, but this dumbness is now going too far now. Say hare krishna and add anything stupid after that, that is not how anything works.
Hare Krishna Gael
Take it as a mental exercise. Ask yourself, “How do I know where the moon is?” And the answer is you have no idea where the moon is. The only way you know is by hearing about it from the authorities. The scientists, the school teachers, NASA, etc, they tell you were the moon is and you believe them. But, just theoretically, say they were mistaken, then your idea of where the moon is would be wrong.
So that is the point. We don’t know where the moon is, we see it in the sky, we have a two dimensional view of it. It could be closer or further away, the point is our senses are imperfect. And whatever knowledge we gather through sense experience and speculation is also perfect and may be incorrect.
So we see a rather different description of the universe and how it works in the Vedas. A simple point is the Vedas states that the Earth is in the center and Sun, Moon and planets are moving around the Earth. So it could be like that. We don’t know. Relatively speaking it would look the same. So don’t just blindly believe everything told to you by the scientists. In the past they have been incorrect on so many things, so it is certain that many of the things they teach today are also incorrect.
So there is nothing stupid here. It is an attempt to open people’s eyes. NASA’s story of sending men to the moon in the 1960’s and admitting quite openly now, fifty years later, that they have no idea how to send men to the moon, is obvious proof from NASA they don’t know how to send men to the moon, now, or fifty years ago. So believing that NASA sent men to the moon 50 years ago and now they have no idea how to send men to the moon, that is stupid.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Hare Krishna Madhudvisa Dasa, Which Veda ascertain the fact that earth is at center and moon,Sun revolves around the earth. As far as i know, a great indian scholar Aryabhatta invented that earth revolves around the sun and it is in full concurrence with modern scientific theory.
Hare Krishna
Hare Krishna Abhishek
Noting in the Vedas is ‘invented’. Vedas and astronomy, that is a very different thing. Of course some Indian Astronomer may have suggested earth rotates around the sun, but that does not mean it is true, or vedic.
The concept of the earth and universe as presented by Srila Vyasadeva, is the earth is part of Bhu-Mandala, in the center and sun is rotating around the earth. The Vedas is 100% geocentric, earth-centered, not heliocentric sun-centered. That you don’t know this means you have not the slightest knowledge of the Vedas. Do not confuse the Vedas with the ideas of some Indian asatronomer.
Chaven Yenketswamy:
Is the moon we see in the sky the same planet that is said to be situated above the Sun? Could it be something else?
Bahuläsva: Srila Prabhupäda, at night, when we see in the sky that moon, that is the same moon that is above the sun?
Prabhupäda: Yes. (Morning Walk — June 22, 1975, Los Angeles)
Devotee (3): I was going to ask you, Prabhupäda, is that the moon planet that we see, is that the same moon planet that’s mentioned in the sästras? The same planet?
Prabhupäda: Yes, same one. (Morning Walk — July 21, 1975, San Francisco)
Pusta Krsna: The moon that we see in the sky…
Prabhupäda: The same moon.
Pusta Krsna: That same moon.
Prabhupäda: Yes. (Morning Walk — October 9, 1975, Durban)
Ive been contemplating this entire debate around the NASA moon landings being fake. NASA is not the only institute that has confirmed distance measurements to the moon based on laser rangers. The number of 385000 km tends to come up which with current technology can be measured to 1 mm precision. This conflicts with the Vedic perspective. Is the moon we see in the sky the same planet that is said to be situated above the Sun? Could it be something else?
Having my own telescope I can see features of our moon at 50 x magnification that correlates with simulations ive done within Unity. So if you are physically situated one moon diameter away from the moon you can see similar detail as you would see through a telescope. So the distances scientists claim for the moon looks realistic. However even 385000 km is not a walk in the park.
Hare Krishna Chaven
The problem is none of us understand the Vedic description given in Srimad-Bhagvatam. We don’t have a valid working model to pit against the current scientific model. However I am convinced the information given to us by Srila Vyasadeva in Srimad-Bhagavatam and some of the Puranas is correct. Which means the model scientists are using is completely incorrect. Just because you have a model that can accurately predict what you observe does not mean the model is correctly reflecting the actual system. There are many things we know for a fact from the Vedic description that radically contradict the modern scientific ideas. Firstly Earth is stationary in the Vedic model and the movements we see happening in the sky, two rotations, one every 24 hours an one every year, are caused by the heavenly bodies rotating around the earth, not by the earth rotating.
And the problem is you look in the sky with your telescope and see the moon, but you do not know what you are looking at. For example in the Vedic description there are huge golden mirrors in the sky. So some of the things we see in the sky may be projections or reflections and may be appearing in completely different positions in the sky to where they are actually situated. The description of the universe in the Bhagavatam would imply that. So the point is you can’t trust that what you see through your telescope.
As far as the lunar laser ranging experiment I have personally spent some days in the Texas observatory that does it and the experiment is not valid. They start with the preconception of the moon being at a particular distance and only open the sensor for the minute fraction of a second they are expecting returns from the moon. So the point is the experiment is bogus and does not prove anything. What they are trying to prove is not the distance to the moon, but that NASA went there and put reflectors on the moon, which they didn’t… So the whole experiment is just NASA trying to prove their fake moon landings were real. It is not a real scientific experiment at all and you can not take any notice of what they say.
The reality is we know much less about the universe around us than scientists would like to admit.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Hopefully the Japanese billionaire helps resolve the debate. Hes already commissioned SpaceX for a lunar orbit trip. It will be interesting to see if he survives the journey.
HARE KRSNA, HARE KRNA, KRSNA KRSNA, HARE HARE
HARE RAMA, HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA, HARE HARE
All the more reason to adore our spiritual master!
NASA is such a joke!
No freemason spaceman has set foot on the moon, so imagine all the other lies Americans are eating!
These Rascal Scientists only know one thing very good and that is how to cheat people and nothing else. People are Ignorant and whatever these Rascal Scientists tells people, people accepts without any Consideration. When will people understand that these Rascal Scientists are nothing but Cheaters ? Only Krishna…..knows.
Now, maybe that Moon Landing mentioned by Your Guru -the first one- was faked…why not? However, the first objection is : you are using the Authorithy of Holy Scriptures against facts! That is radically different as an approach to the behaviour of someone who opposes facts to facts even if the result may be similar (not all those who consider the first Moon Landing a fake do follow ISKCON). The second point is: what about the following moon landings: all fake? Indeed , why should the Deities protecting the Moon accept an invasion even in our times? Now, there some artificial satellites around the Moon , like ARTEMIS, so even that is a fake? These man-made structures are visible simply by means of a good telescope, anyway….
Hare Krishna Giovanni
No man-made structure or satellite orbiting the moon can be seen with a good telescope. Even with the best telescope no such things can be seen. So better to get your facts correct.
We get information from the Vedas that the moon is situated quite differently from where the scientists think it is. They have got everything wrong. Size, distance, orbit, etc, etc.
So they have not been to the moon, they do not have satellites orbiting the moon.
You fake a moon mission once then you have to fake all the others. Problem is currently NASA openly admit they can not send manned missions out of earth orbit. There is dangerous radiation in the Van Allen belts and they do not yet have the required shielding to allow humans to pass through this dangerous radiation safely.
That is why organizations like NASA, etc, are saying we may be able to go to the moon in 10 or 20 years. Perhaps. So we can not even go to the moon now. With technology thousands of times better than we had in the 1960s. So that is proof that the 1960s moon missions were fake.
So you do not have any ‘facts’ proving man went to the moon. If you can actually present any such facts then do it. Please let me know? The reality is we have to believe NASA. All the ‘facts’ come from NASA and can not be verified by anyone else.
Of course I am not saying that we can not put up satellites around earth, we can send up men into earth orbit, they can build structure in earth orbit like the space station, etc. But so far we have not seen any evidence they can leave earth orbit.
Problem is once they leave earth orbit it is a tiny space capsule that is invisible to everyone and then we just have to surrender to NASA, and NASA have to provide some interesting space stories, otherwise how could they justify continued funding? So the whole NASA really is a string of fakes and scams so they can keep their funding and jobs…
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Hare Krishna.
That’s exactly the problem with lying. You always need to produce new lies to maintain your original lie.