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Correcting ISKCON’s Guru System
Very nicely spoken, Mataji.
» Posted By Tamoharadasa On August 13, 2009 @ 5:42 am
Jaya, Pragosa Prabhu. Singlepointedness in these matters is the only practical route.
» Posted By Tamoharadasa On August 13, 2009 @ 5:27 am
Hare Krsna, obeisances to all;
Just a few practical necessities we should probabaly address;
While Bhakti Caru’s article sounds like a step in the right direction, talk is cheap. There is also the question of addressing all the devotees’ greivances seriously.
Suggestions; Issue a call for all of Srila Prabhupada’s diciples to return, including all the “ritvik-vadis”, then totally remove the current GBCs, and re-elect all officers in the temples once Prabhupada’s disciples are prepared, and extend full voting rights to all such disciples, living in the temple or not. Elect all these temple authorities, and then they should elect an all-new GBC. The current administrators should be disallowed to be reelected until a new governing regime is settled, so that the perception will be of complete breaking with the old ways and a return to original Iskcon mood.
Remove all banned labels on account of ritvik, and apologize to us.
Extend the natural right to all initiated devotees of Srila Prabhupada to live and fully serve to their best capacities in our spiritual master’s temple societies, and no one can kick them out or restrict their thinking or preaching in any way! Establish istagostis immediately, and show submission to the collective devotee’s ideas and suggestions.
Try to provide full facilities for preachers of all kinds, including brahmacaries and vanaprasthas.
Issue membership cards, acquire life insurance programs, give daksina regularly and generously to all ashrama members, except grhastas.
Stop all salaries immediately! Other avenues of support may be arranged, as ncessary, such as daksina or grants.
Stop earning money by doing Hindu ceremonies before our deities. Stop allowing anyone other than initiated Iskcon brahmanas or other qualified brahmana Vaisnavas to cook in the temples.
Insist that every devotee go on sankirtana regularly. Reduce the deity worship if necessary to accomplish this. The yuga dharma is harinama sankirtana, not temple worship, so priorities need to be rearranged in some cases.
Remove the rubber stamp system altogether. Retain the current spiritual masters who accept ritivk role, and make arrnagments for those who do not accept this to be reestablished outside of Prabhupada’s temples. All temples and farms etc started by Srila Prabhupada should be designated as such, while those started by others should go to their hands and their disciples.
Rewrite the role of all sannyasis in Iskcon to one appropriate for the ashrama. No more sannyasi managers. All brahamanas should give classes at least occassionally, and the cult of the high-flying sannyasis and Iskcon rock stars must end now.
Stop harassing Madhu Pandita et al. Withdraw all court cases.
Stop rewriting Srila Prabhupada’s books, and extend right to print to all disiciples.
Any devotees who wish to act as gurus should have lesser rights within Iskcon, and restrictions of their activites within Prabhupadas society should be mandated. They and their disciples should either rethink their allegiances to Srila Prabhupada, or make way for Prabhupada’s disciples to manage and govern without interference from these new spiritaul masters or their disciples. They should plan to and be assisted to find their own centres as sub-branches of Iskcon. Once their seperate identity is established and Prabhupada’s temples are returned to him and his disciples, ritvik post-samadhi disciples as well as the original devotees, then full mutual cooperation between Iskcon and the branches can be maintained.
Start massive e-preaching within a now unified Iskcon body.
Increase devotee in-temple ashramas immediately, and encourage seekers to live with us for a stretch, and encourage renunciants of all ashreamas to live in and perform sankirtana activites of all sorts.
Action along these lines will be real. Just talk not followed by actual
reform will be dissappointing and not so helpful.
Thank you, prabhus. Hare Krsna and obeisances to all!
» Posted By Tamoharadasa On August 12, 2009 @ 5:51 pm
Krsna dasa prabhu; Pamho! AGTSP!
I can sympathize with what you experienced. We early devotees built the temples on the grounds of love, mercy, enthusiasm, determination, acceptance, and mutual respect; human values, even hippy values, ultimately spiritual values.
But everything has now changed in Iskcon Canada. It has become like a strict impersonal church with the “church lady” in charge of what used to be a glorious Hare Krsna revolution! It is now a private club house; very square, dare I say strangely prissy, authoritarian and rigid. Hindu-ized persons and sycophant disciples and co-conspirators of Hari Vilas, and Bhaktimarga Swami and his naive gang, with a self-serving deviant political agenda, have dominated the Toronto and also Montreal temples. There are sincere humble devotees also, but they are not sophisticated enough or aware of their own ability to seize temple control. They have virtually no say any more. Consequently, if you are not favored by the power stuctures, right or wrong, you will definitely be abused. This has grown worse and worse with each passing year since Srila Prabhupada’s real disciples were in control.
Certainly, you will be prosecuted if you dare disagree with anything the temple board dictates; they in turn, some paid salaries to keep their mouths shut, while the Hindus push forward their agendas, with Bhaktimarga Swami meekly kow-towing to their Hindu board nonsense for the sake of his increasing his own power and pampered life-style. He in fact occupies Srila Prabhupada’s rooms at the temple, and takes new devotees as his own disciples when they are really Prabhupada’s, like he is now as good as God himself, and so much better than his own Godbrothers.
I recall attending one Indian persons’s home with Bhaktimarga. The host put him on a seat, and made me, his Godbrother who joined Iskcon the same year he did, sit at his feet on the floor. He was quite comfortable with this arrangement. I never said a word, didn’t want to disturb anyone and I really could care less where I sit, but I remembered this small incident. It is indicative of the overall mentality.
Even the traditional istagosthis are completey forbidden in Canada; they don’t want you to think, and even less so, speak your mind! God forbid you should ever dare question anything, ot fail to worshop Bhaktimarga! His sycophant spies will go running to their master and you will be kicked out, and if they can’t do that to you, because of long-term social ties to the temple, you will be abused, insulted, degraded, just as Krsna dasa says he has been. Keep your mouth shut, it is like Soviet Russia. Welcome to the Krsna cult!
These are not Srila Prabhupada’s directions. He specifically ordered that NO devotees are to sit at the top, control all the resources, then the devotees below have to beg for maintenance! He also said to close the temple doors if necessary so that everyone can go out for sankirtana. Instead, Krsna dasa’s experience reflects the current scene here, and it is disgusting and rotten to the core. It is time the common devotees took matters in to their pure hands and physically threw these rascals into the street, where they have themselves gleefully tossed the majority of Srila Prabhupada’s Canadian-born disciples.
» Posted By Tamoharadasa On July 26, 2009 @ 11:09 am
The Final Order–A Very Misleading Paper
A few relevant quotes, to back up my letter; Haribol!
Srila Prabhupada; “All of my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I–one–may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It’s not that I’ll give an order: “Here is the next leader.” Anyone who follows the previous leadership is a leader… All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don’t want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who follows is perfect.” (SP BTG Vol. 13, No. 1-2)
April 22.77. Prabhupada: People complained against [a GBC for trying to appear as a guru]. …You become guru, but you must be QUALIFIED FIRST of all. THEN you become. …What is the use of producing some RASCAL GURU?
Tamala Krishna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear fact that we are all condiioned souls, so we CANNOT be gurus. Maybe someday it may be possible….
Tamala Krishna: …but not now.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall produce some gurus. I SHALL SAY who is guru, ‘NO you become acharya, You become authorized.’
I retire completely. But the training must be COMPLETE.
Tamala Krishna: The process of purification must be there. …No rubber stamp.
Prabhupada: You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to be guru. A small temple and “guru.” What kind of guru?
Srila Prabhupada: We haven’t got to manufacture. To manufacture ideas is troublesome. Why should we take the trouble? And as soon as you want to manufacture something to my…., that is DANGEROUS. …That you are singing every day, “what our guru has said, that is our life and soul.” …As soon as this POISON will come -suppress guru and I become Brahman- everything FINISHED. Spiritual life is finished. Gaudiya Matha finished, …VIOLATED the orders of Guru Maharaja.
…And as soon as you manufacture, fall down. This manufacturing idea is very, very dangerous in spiritual life. …Our mission is to serve bhakta visesa and live with devotees. NOT THAT YOU TAKE THE PLACE OF GURU. THAT IS NONSENSE, VERY DANGEROUS. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become AMBITIOUS to TAKE THE PLACE of GURU-gurusuh nara matih. That is MATERIAL DISEASE.
Thank you! Tamoharadasa (not the GBC)
» Posted By Tamoharadasa On June 11, 2009 @ 8:29 pm
Prabhujis; Pamho. AGTSP!
We have likely all heard the arguments back and forth. But what did Srila Prabhupada actually DO? We can argue until the cows come home, based on quotes, and no conclusions. Srila Prabhupada set up a ritvik system, he recognized no one as potential diksa guru at the time. The proof, is that I would say at least ten out of the eleven initial so-called self-proclaimed gurus, all fell into heavy maya. So, they were unqualified, as Srila Prabhupada clearly knew, and he acted accordingly. Is it not? Even when someone actually qualified appears, such as Gour Govinda Swami Thakura, the GBC simply abused him and called him a trouble maker. When GGM lay on the floor and asked the assembled GBC to come and beat him for his offenses, none dared to move.
It is clear to the thinking person that the only right thing then, is to continue with the ritvik system. Let those really qualfied, and who have a strong wish to do so, on Krsna’s real order, go out and form their own organizations, which is just WHAT Srila Prabhupada DID.
Caitanya Caritamrta warns not to take disciples, in Prabhupada’ s purports. But he also advises all to act as guru. How is this possible? Is it not self contradictory? No, it is not, when you understand that all are to represent Krsna As He Is; this is a siksa function! All can do! It seems few understand that there is a siksa and a diksa guru possible. We can all be siska from any position, of varying qualities. This explanatrion resolves the paradox, so it must be taken as correct. It ALSO jives with Srila Prabhupada’s actually ACTIVITES.
So, all those currently residing in Prabhupada’s temples and dictating to their Godbrothers, and in turn being dictated to by rubber-stampers, should be aware that they are in violtaion of sadhu and sastra. Sastra says only utthama adhikaris are acceptable, and they should never be in a position to be corrected by others. Srila Prbhupada left Gaudiya Maths. It is simple for the simple, but complicated by all the excuses of the duplicitous. HK
YS Tamoharadasa (ACBSP)
» Posted By Tamoharadasa On June 11, 2009 @ 7:46 pm
Hare krishna Prabhuji.,Dandvat Pranaam
May i know about the author of the book”Srila Prabhupada Lilamrita As It Is” named mukund das prabhu.Had he any personal association with Srila Prabhupada.
This book is a compilation of direct quotes from Srila Prabhupada speaking about his own life. The author is Srila Prabhuapda, all Mukunda did was compile the quotes and he did a good job of it. He wrote a bit of rubbish on the last 2 pages but apart from that he did not write a single word in the book. It is a collection of Prabhupada quotes and the author of this book is Srila Prabhuapda.
Prabhu Madhudvisa Dasa.Is Jagannath Krishna himself or is just an expansion of Krishna like Vishnu,Rama etc.In Iskcon lectures I heard that Jagannath is Krishna himself,they have proved this by saying a story from Skanda purana.Is this true or Iskcon lectures are just bogus?I found no video Prabhupad talking aboyt Lord Jagannath.Oh Prabhu kindly answer my doubts.Hare Krishna
Yes. Lord Jagannatah is Krishna Himself. It is Jagannatha [Krishna] Balarama and Krishna’s sister Subhadra.
So Jagannatha is deity form of Krishna. He is representation of Krishna with His brother Balarama and sister Subhadra,
It is deity manifestation of Krishna, Balarama and Lady Subhadra,
I request you clear my doubts.I understand the complexities of life processes,cellular mechanisms and other natural phenomenon cannot be explained solely by reasoning and scientific theories as somewhere or other our knowledge is limited.I am a science student nd nature lover.After reading the article posted by you regarding the concept of the origin of life,a question arisen in my mind that krishna is all powerful,then, why he designed this universe in this complicated way?,why life originated? why he made all that dna etc matter space?what is his true nature? why are we given these bodies these reasoning abilities?why krishna waited for billions of years and made us take birth here?why prakrati and purush got seperated? who were those dinosaurs etc for souls are eternal were those dinosaurs primitive and other organisms we only? are there any planet lest earth having life?why will happen atlast for we are ultimately destined to reach our eternal govind? why doesn’t he appears now and clear all these doubts for one thing is sure that if even he messages in some ways we will submit to him?why krishna is so naughty why has he made everything complicated?I know these are childlish questions but still worthy to be answered…..
I am a krishana devotee.I feel as if there is pure love for him deep in my heart.But at the same time I do believe in science.Sometimes i find myself stuck in between science emotions belief and devotion.I want to understand my Govind,I want to understand myself.
I request my friends to please give answer to these questions.I hope i will get atleast answers of a few questions as i found this site quite appealing.
Hare Krishna Jai Govind
To clear your doubts you have to become Krishna conscious. Because unless you become Krishna conscious you will not be able to understand what Krishna consciousness is and you will remain continually bewildered.
All these questions are irrelevant. You seem to accept that Govinda exists, that He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Now you have to just surrender to the idea that you are His servant. And then you need to find out practically how you can engage in the service of Krishna. And to find out how to do this you need to read Srila Prabhupada’s books. And in the process of becoming Krishna conscious all your other questions will automatically be answered.
The scientists can not understand anything. They only have very fragmental information about everything they study. The information we can gather through our material senses is very limited. There are so many things we can not perceive through our material senses. So they can not understand what they can not perceive.
So instead of just speculating all these questions and being bewildered like this it is better to just admit that in our conditioned state with our very limited mind and our material senses we can not hope to understand Krishna or even this material world which is created ultimately by Krishna.
The way to understand these things is to become Krishna conscious. We can not understand without becoming Krishna conscious.
So you have to learn how to become Krishna conscious… That is the answer to all your questions. And Krishna consciousness is a science and that science is very elaborately presented in the books of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!