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I have a different question, not sure where to ask on the site.
In the battle of Kuruksetra, Arjuna was guided by Kishna as he was devote disciple and without Lord Krishnas help Arjuna would have retreated to a simple life and society would have suffered bad kingdom.
Arjuna had a big very heavy question and I have simple questions which I cannot find answers to in the Gita. But there is some information like not to lament over things, which was said to Arguna by Krishna as Arjuna found it hard to fight his family as he was pious and compassionate.
But what is the fate of a bird that falls out of the nest and no good samaritans to help, all say that the mother will be looking for the bird and leave it to fend for itself, only to then die alone?
What does Krishna have to say to that? Does anyone know?
» Posted By sanvi On May 30, 2010 @ 2:14 am
O dear Lord Krsna, O eternal Deity of transcendental bliss and knowledge, you are imperishable, and we offer our respectful obeisances unto Your lotus feet. It is by Your causeless mercy that we have been released from the imprisonment of Jarasanda,
STORY OF JARASANDA
When Godess Rukmini was saved from marriage to King of Cedi, then Jarasanda, the Kaurava, Bima and Nakula and Sahadewa were all slain. Yudistira was rendered unconscious by Krishna and couldn’t move. Then Krishna was challenged by Arjuna and nearly lost, and thus the god Vishnu descended from heaven. Krishna, as an avatar of Vishnu turned into Vishnu, while Arjuna, who was also an avatar of Vishna, also turned into Vishnu. Yudistira then became conscious again, and asked Vishnu to bring back to life all those who had been slain in the fighting. Vishnu agreed, and He rained down immortality and all those who had been slain came back to life, including Jarasanda. They all then joined the festivities for Krishna’s wedding in Dwarawati.
When Krisna turned into Vishnu and brought back Jarasanda, the Kaurava, Bima and Nakula and Sahadewa back to life then they were new people and pious?
When we pray that Krishna releases us from imprisonment within material existence this illusory energy. Then In this same way as the story of Jarasanda we are asking to be slain of our bad qualities and to become better humans and KC?
We now have sufficient experience of the miserable material life in which we are fully absorbed, and having tasted its bitterness, we have come to take shelter under your
lotus feet. (The imprisoned kings-Krsna Book)
After we suffer do we realize that we are not hear to enjoy sense pleasure, until then we are not able to appreciate taking shelter under Lotus feet of Lord Krishna. Surely as humans we are all suffering but some they do not have or found Krishna. We suffer to realize Gods existence, and but when we are KC then we do not lament or rejoice the bad and good things that cross our path, because the ultimate enjoyer is Krishna, so is Krishna also the ultimate sufferer? We cause pain to Krishna when we are doing bad to other Jivas?
When we take shelter under the Lotus Feet and surrender our selves what are the qualities of a person who has surrendered?
There are a lot of good qualities as a human I can easily list, however there is one specific quality I am most interested in and that is when a KC person is fully conscious of his/her relationship with Krishna and can see Krishna in all living entity then he himself/herself has some enlightened quality as of the well traveled spiritual master, Srila Narada Muni the transcendental spaceman. (His/her does not really exist, we are not gender based either). What is the word we can use in material context to signify our understanding of our Jiva to be free form this labeling of male female relationsip?)
Science is a limiting mindful activity, but there is a correlation of KC with quantum mechanics, a team of physicists has proved that an entire atom can simultaneously exist in two widely separated places. So when we meet other humans and we see Krishna in their soul we say:
Jai Shree Krishna, which means, ‘I see Krishna in you’. Some people do not really appreciate the deeper meaning behind this spoken word’s; they lack KC. It is because the meaning has been lost over time and been taken over as material existence as a show and a sign of a distinguished family who may really be interested in material existence.
We beings are sparks of Krishna we reflect qualities of the source and have sparks also maybe in the form of aura? Or some thing, our sparks also do exist in more then one place at a time and we have same qualities as the source light Krishna but we are not the source itself but of the source.
Especially as we are transferred from the spiritual energy to the material energy, our real essence is lost in the bodily attachment that we are enclosed within. The barrier or distinction between the source and us is huge we are nothing much really (on our own) and if a spiritual spark tries to exist alone it is as if you are an electric current living without wanting to be plugged to the mains, and this is not possible. One electric current cannot illuminate the room but the more current there is then the room lights-up better especially if plugged to the source of the generator.
Our real natural ability to exist in more then one place at a time cannot be seen through material existence. We are mind limited in material existence, which means we are not conscious of our real existence.
Living entities have all the qualities of the Supreme Lord in minute quantities. We on this dimension cannot see ‘who we truly are’. However if we know the source and that our father Lord Krishna has ability to exist within all living entities then we have also ability to be in more then one place at a time. From this it means we are much more close as jivas then our material existence can prove. This means if someone is in distress it is we who are in distress, and if we cannot hear others and help then we aren’t helping our-self.
When a baby is newly born and you put all babies in one room they are all ‘feeling’ each others distress, one cries then all the rest of the babies join in, because they think they are in pain. As babies are more close to the purity of the divine spirit this is clearly seen. It is only when they grow up and define themselves as individuals does the human suffering really does begin.
Not being good to our self is also a sinful act. If we are not collectively trying to unite in our KC awareness then what are we are aiming for in real Krishna Conscious movement?
So when we are good to other humans or Jivas we are really just being good to ourselves but we do not know. When we do bad things to others we are being bad
to ourselves. Like we are cutting our own limbs to gain a material satisfaction, we do not realize we are cutting our own limbs. We are foolish people and find it hard to be otherwise.
So when we do bad things and we make ultimately ourselves miserable our karma is already in action, we just do not know that we are not happy in that moment as it is not our body that suffers, but the soul knows the suffering it has been caused. In that moment of our causing misery to someone and the transfer of the spiritual karmic energy which travels through another dimension because it is not solid form and we can not see but do feel it in the pain we are suffering via karma and this does in fact unite our collective human suffering.
When we see another life suffer and we do not intervene then we are not acting in the best KC way.
The karmic energy proves that we are not individuals and the pain we cause we feel it too in the karmic cycle as they call it but really it is the invisible nervous system that we all share.
Being in the company of Krishna Conscious people we are able to be who we all truly are, and this decreases our Karmic situation and we are liberated. However it is not always possible to meet all people with this much understanding and we continue to suffer due to our ignorance and in the company we keep. This is why it is important to be in association of devotees who are in the same level of spiritual progression, but not always easy to find such devotees as most are in their own group settings. Perhaps the most advanced devotees may not recognize and assume that the person who does not wear a tilak or initiated is not advanced, and it is hard to find like-minded company. Is there a need to make KC people aware of communicating to build up on associations and accepting the company of those that do not outwardly match their uniform?
I feel the non-conforming and to wearing a uniform keeps me outside the classroom, these days I do not mind it as I am seeing things develop from outside the situations. Due to Kali Yugna, it is better to keep a step back and view things without becoming absorbed as one may not be acting in the best KC manner.
I can live in isolation for now and live in the company of KC people via internet and keep few devotees associations who know me well until I have better understanding on the KC movement in time, with strong views and higher spiritual awareness I may know for sure what KC is really about.
The Vedas were songs that were about the nature and our unity with the Mother Earth and we are all one being co-existing separately. Even the eco-system can be a small example of how nature depends on one another to survive.
Karma, The justice energy of Lord Krishna
All of this is what I believed Krishna Conscious to be for many years,
Are we really individuals (? Is questionable – are we really individual souls?), Soul’s that are evolving and devolving up and down through the different species of life. We may be seeing our individuality from the material body sense.
People may assume their souls to be separate/individual and controlled by their own efforts to be KC. There is a limit to this as well, and that is why KC movement encourages us to preach and share the KC knowledge and not to keep it to ourself. As we are not this body and our souls extend out towards another dimension that only Srila Narada Muni may have really seen.
We may assume we are separate and make our endeavor to go back to God but really all the people on the earth are our alternate beings in the form of humans, animals and inanimate objects. We coexist in more then one place at one time across all universe but remain under the power of the Lord Krishna who is our Supreme conductor of our limited sense intellectual/?existance.
Just as many drops of water makes the ocean we jivas are like drops of water all traveling to the main ocean and if one drop is left behind then there is shortage of water on the other side the shortage is like a missing limb only we are living in maya and assume we are this body and work alone to find our peace with Krishna. But Krishna will send us back if we have not seen this simple connection we have between us all as living entities.
This is what I believed KC to be. However I do understand that all people are moving at different KC pace depending on their ability, Even KC devotees are evolving on different levels of self-realization. So they are not to be judged as bad when they make errors’ as we are all fallible in our material existence and the mind sense has limited intelligence.
We should not judge other peoples KC activity and the efforts they make because of our understanding on our weakness as material forms trying to live a spiritual dimension from within a material world.
The challenge is how we can live a KC life in the material world, some may find it easy to retreat and take shelter in the Lord Krishna and sing his praise, some may want to help other life form’s as they can see Krishna is everywhere, however they may not make good judgments to help all the time and fail then karma will perhaps take charge of their failings. Perhaps it is not the wisest way to go back to God because of the effects of Karma in their failed effort to do good deeds.
But not helping and being in a cocoon is also not really very good thing to do either, so how do we overcome karma as this is one reason why we are reborn back into this environment. By heping in a detached manner without expecting anything back in return, and what if we fail to help as we are not all knowing as Krishna is.
Perhaps by our efforts to educate the people by providing them with KC understanding, this may be helpful as Kali yugna is getting worse every day and there is another 350 million years perhaps before we as a human race decide to cry out for help to God to save us and when we all are then aiming to have our father beside us then and only then he will come in person. We really do need to have same needs – for God to come, hopefully sooner. So by preparing the Krishna Conscious movement we are building up a collective Krishna conscious awareness. We can get help sooner then later?
When we all want to have Krishna come to save us and we all think of his existence then ultimately this Earth will in the process stop existing as all Jivas will have a new evolutionary advancement they are aiming for. W e can be transported to live with Krishna and if this place does no longer exist we are never going have to be born here on Earth again, unless if some Jivas think to be here and decide it should exist.
We need to go back to God, not alone but with al the Jivas. This is why we are spreading KC news. We do not want this Earth to be existing, because there is only suffering here, and we all have brought it to exist so we experience, not enjoyment but suffering. Why? – Perhaps to appreciate Krishna and to be his servant.
Why has Krishna made our existence limited to our sense organs then? What is the reason for that? Is there a real ‘other’ reason we do not know about? Perhaps the real purity of a soul cannot be seen unless it is placed in a karmic situation and we are under analysis?
Srila Narada Muni is a transcendental space man, and I want to know what he saw, did anyone ask this to his Divine Grace Swami Prabhupada?
Preaching and singing the praise of Lord Krishna is all great stuff if we also know who we all truly are and how we are all connected. There is no real division between all Jivas.
Currently most humans are aiming towards material fulfillment and living ‘individual existence’ that is all maya and sense enjoyment. His Divine Grace Swami Prabhupada said that humans are living like animals. When I look around, and see that animals have more sense then humans do, it is a disgrace and we are not fit to be called Humans. The word ‘human’ was made-up by humans, so it is in itself a meaningless word.
I write a lot but I still need assistance in being Krishna Conscious person, I do not know anything prabhu madhudavisa, please someone said that I am to ask questions to a person with SP on their name. I assume it means His Divine Grace Swami Prabhupada?
I believe you have this on your name?
» Posted By sanvi On June 1, 2010 @ 6:48 am
Hare Krishna Brother Prabhu,
» Posted By sanvi On June 6, 2010 @ 8:39 am
Hare Krishna brother prabu
» Posted By sanvi On June 6, 2010 @ 8:13 am
After reading I found this paragraph interesting,
The first criterion, according to the Vedic scriptures, is the quality of the words the teacher speaks. (Even a fool may be highly esteemed–until he speaks.) In the Bhagavad-gita Lord Sri Krishna, the original spiritual master, tells His disciple Arjuna, “The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.” In other words, a genuine guru must have realized the Absolute Truth, the Personality of Godhead, and he must be able to impart this truth to his disciple, thus freeing him (or her) from repeated birth and death.
Is this what is the meaning of the text above? The self realized soul has to go through a lot of trouble before they realize?
3. THE VALUE OF EXPERIENCE IN SRI
God must be experienced; it is not enough that we read of Him in the scriptures. To the initial query by Swami Vivekananda (then Naren), ‘Have you seen God?’ Sri Ramakrishna replied, ‘Yes, yes, I have seen God and talked to Him as I see and talk to you now. Not only that, I can make you see Him.’ God, he said, must be seen, talked to and touched…
It is experience, not merely knowledge that matters. In the following lines, Swami
Nityabodhananda, Founder of the Ramakrishna Vedanta Centre, Corsier, Geneva discusses the value of experience in Sri Ramakrishna’s teachings and how the Master himself lived the summit of divine illumination.
Swami Nityabodhananda had the privilege of meeting and talking to Sri ‘M’, in the year 1931.
“Experience transforms itself into life and life into Light…”
All knowledge is based on experience. In the spiritual field experience is of major
importance as it transforms speculation into life. What is possible actualizes itself in a
tangible form. An idea may have great power but its power is lost when it is not lived. At
the foot of a mountain I can have the idea of how I may feel at the summit. Only on the
peak I live the summit-experience. It is an authentic experience and it can become
contagious and communicable. Sri Ramakrishna set great store by experience, by anubhava. Like a gardener, he insisted on the importance of ‘harvest’. Of course, to have good harvest one should sow well and be attentive to what is sown. He was in the habit of saying: “It is announced in the almanac that in a certain year the rainfall will be such and such number of inches. You can squeeze the almanac full of predictions of rainfall, you will not get one drop of water. In the same way, you will find in the Sacred Books a lot of teaching. But a simple reading will not make your life spiritual. You should practise what has been prescribed in the Books to acquire love of God.” (Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, p. 431)
Experience transforms itself into life and life into Light. Even from an ordinary
experience, a blazing light, a high realization can spring forth. To gain that we should
watch over its maturation, its ripening process (paripaka) and not evaluate it hastily
and say that this and this experience is agreeable or disagreeable. This high truth
Ramakrishna put in simple terms “So long as I live I learn”. For a divine incarnation
there is nothing to learn. It is evident that he was coming to our level.
On this earth everything is cut into two. In the heart of joy, a grain of sorrow
subsists. We often say, life is beautiful. But life is also suffering. What can we learn from
the contradictions of life? Before an experience transforms itself into light it has to
measure its full dimension by touching its opposite pole and return to the Centre (Self).
The transcendence and the ecstasy it involves is in the return process.
Three stages are discernible in the process of maturation:
1. As every experience, in the process of becoming life should pass through the
52 crucible of opposites, a suffering (or a joy) in and by itself is an incomplete situation. It is on the way of completing itself by going towards its opposite, pleasure in the case of
suffering, pain in the case of joy.
2. Watchful awareness is called for. Hence an experience is an involvement, a
responsibility. From awareness filters equilibrium and wisdom, samatvabhavana.
3. The spirit of involvement when practised creates in us a certain mastery
over the unconscious levels. And from this can issue the necessary reflexes that can help
us to get out of a spiritual impasse or spiritual anguish.
Says the Master, “The iron should be made hot many times before hammering it.
Then only it becomes steel. Out of this steel one can forge as one likes and make a sharp
sword. In the same way, a man should go through the furnace of troubles several times.
He should be struck by the persecutions that life brings and become humble and pure to
be able to enter the presence of God.” (Sayings of Sri Ramakrishna, no. 399; 1971
The Experience of the Divine Ramakrishna lived the summit divine experience which the Hindu tradition names samadhi. Once a disciple asked the Master during samadhi whether he lost completely the sense of the ego.
The Master: “Yes, usually a little of the consciousness of the ego subsists. Imagine
a gold leaf that is being rubbed against a lump of gold, The leaf does not wear itself off
completely. All outward consciousness disappears. But the Lord keeps in me a small
parcel of the ego so that I can enjoy the felicity, which is the Lord. Sometimes, it so
happens that He takes away even this little bit. Then it is the highest samadhi. It is the
total fusion-union of my self with God.” (Sayings of Sri Ramakrishna, no. 988; 1971
Maybe this is an answer to all the problems, Krishna may have guided me on the findings?
Please how is the best way to do Bhakti?
I am confused on what is expected and what it really means. Perhaps it means to do all service to all Jivas as if you are helping to do Krishnas service to them? And not expect anything back in return. You should not lament when you do not receive anything in return? Perhaps there is more I do not understand or may have got this all wrong?
Please can you correct me prabhu? I need to practice the service and need to know what i am really meant to do.
After reading this paragraph below, above is the question.
Again and again Lord Krishna declares that bhakti, devotional service, is the best method for spiritual realization. Although the Vedas teach many other paths besides bhakti (such paths as knowledge, severe austerities, karma-yoga, and mystic yoga) the Srimad-Bhagavatam, the final word in Vedic literature, refers to all these as kaitava-dharma, or “cheating religion.” In truth only unalloyed devotional service (bhakti) can give satisfaction to the soul; other practices are of value only insofar as they lead to bhakti. Thus, at the conclusion of Bhagavad-gita, Lord Krishna declares, sarva-dharman parityajya: “Give up all other so-called religious activities and surrender unto Me alone” (Bg. 18.66). On Krishna’s authority, Srila Prabhupada is teaching only bhakti-yoga, love of God.
» Posted By sanvi On June 2, 2010 @ 8:13 am
While we are trying to realize ourselves and how to go back to Godhead, back to Krsna. While that is our struggle, we come across different paths in life, where we make errors as we are imperfect beings. Not the huge errors, such as making God property your property, but errors which are to some people, small, and to some people they are big.
What to do if you find a baby bird and everyone says that the birds mother will come back and but then the mother did not come back the bird died. What can we do to help not make silly mistakes, and does this mean we are bad people.
It is not fair we are imperfect beings trying to be perfect then it becomes our fault. Its a really dreadful punishment to be here on Earth. It says we chose to come to experience sense enjoyment, but there really is no enjoyment in seeing ourselves making endless mistakes and feelings of being incompetent.
Where is the Science of Krishna to help to establish our need to be perfect with a limited intellect. Not only God punish us but we punish ourselves for our limited Krishna Consciousness. If only God can make perfect decisions, and as sparks of the original source we are unable to make clear KC acts as we have limits placed upon us by material modes why are we at fault. Why we are punished?
Why did Krishna make us imperfect humans and it becomes hard to be good all the time we are sinful even if we try very hard to be good, we struggle to be good, how can this be any fun to be here on Earth, it seems like a painful place and we did not come here for any sense enjoyment as many people feel that this is a big topic they are always talking of, which does not relate much to my life.
So the battle on the grounds of Kurukhestra where Krishna gave spiritual guidance to Arjuna his devote disciple, was needed even when Arjuna had so much ability to make very Good rational decisions. This was a battlefield and good King wins to the benefit of all society.
A little bird is not going to die, and belongs to Krishna it has material body just like the cousins of Arjuna, they also do not really die and soul is eternal. It still is hard to make sense to see why this type of world even is allowed to exist.
If the experience of pain is to help elevate spiritual progression as a lesson we are to learn before we can appreciate KC? But the acts of KC does not include a lot about extending our service to all creatures instead it recites do not lament all is material and be detached we are all concentrating only in service to Krishna at the temple where they are offering food and decorating Krishna and Radha. If Krishna is in all living entity then why not see that all living things made by Krishna is temple. Krishna is every where not just in the man made temples where imperfect devotees where tilak and show their musical ability.
Things must be seen clearly, and Krishna Science is not situated just in the temple, Krishna is every where, even in the little bird, but no one cares just the same as putting a flag on the moon, people make temples and hide behind the wall, cutting all real ties from Krishna who is in all living things.
Personally I do not think that the KC is really understood properly, and needs some clarity to how every day devote HK and KC can reach Krishna, who I feel is really just not seen. Like being in the dark room and you can not see.
I am writing to you Prabhu madhudavisa, because you are following the teachings of His Divine Grace Swami Prabhupada, and we are all living in Kali yugna and need to get lot of guidance and Krishna has left us all alone for a billion more years, when it gets even worse on Earth, why he has left it all this late? makes not sense I need God to come now.
This is not very good management to leave us all alone and be helpless like the bird and we can not do much good to anyone else if we are incomplete in Krishna Science Knowledge.
Please do help, Prubhu so I can be a better human and not make mistakes.
» Posted By sanvi On May 30, 2010 @ 9:36 am