Man On The Moon–A Colossal Hoax that Cost Billions of Dollars
January 20, 2010 by satsvarupa-dasa-goswami
Filed under Science
Although many believe man first reached the moon in July, 1969, we have information from a very reliable source, the Sanskrit Vedic scriptures, that the astronauts never actually went to the moon. The manned moon landing was a colossal hoax.
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, the spiritual master of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, once described materialistic civilization as “a society of the-cheaters and the cheated.” Looking at our modern world, we can easily see why: massive advertising campaigns for cigarettes and liquor that promise pleasure but deliver disease; widespread gambling rackets of all kinds, some government-sponsored, that bilk the public of billions each year; high level corruption of many leaders in industry and government that reveals a nearly total disregard for the public’s welfare. From all this, and, much more, the only conclusion to draw is that the vast majority of people, out of ignorance of a meaningful goal of life, actually desire to be cheated-actually feel the need for the false promises and outright lies of the hucksters to provide some hope of happiness from day to day. Thus a few clever, aggressive professionals take advantage of the ignorant masses and engage in large-scale cheating for their own selfish interests.
While cheating goes on in all fields of endeavor, one of the most outstanding is modern science. Scientists can make useful contributions to material life, but they become cheaters when they claim that science is (or someday will be) independent of the laws of nature. Theories such as “Life originates from matter and can be created in the laboratory,” or “Since there is no supreme intelligence directing the universe, we [the scientists] are the only ones who can explain existence,” are all bluffs perpetrated without a shred of scientific proof. Their only purpose is to advance the prestige of the scientists and net them billion-dollar government grants for endless research. Recent efforts to travel to the moon provide a prime example of this kind of lucrative mass “brainwashing,” which is still succeeding with a large portion of the gullible public. (*Twenty-eight percent of all Americans, according to a Gallup poll cited in the Los Angeles Times on October 13, 1976, have seen through the sham and now believe the moon landing to be a fake). Despite the tremendous volume of propaganda proclaiming the “conquest of outer space,” we have information from a very reliable source, the Sanskrit Vedic scriptures, that the so-called “astronauts” never actually went to the moon. Although most people hold it as an article of absolute faith that man first reached the moon in July, 1969, the manned moon landing is actually a colossal hoax.
We realize that this is very difficult for you to accept, since it directly contradicts your established beliefs. But since you yourself have not actually gone to the moon, you owe it to yourself to consider why you are so confident that the astronauts actually have gone there. Why do you accept the popular version of the manned moon landing? Because you believe the authority of the scientists, the journalists, and the politicians who propagate that version. When we cite the Vedic scriptures, which state that the “astronauts” could not have gone to the moon, we are simply favoring another authority. In both cases, it is a matter of accepting an authority and believing what it says.
Now, why do we believe the Vedic scriptures rather than the material scientists? Because the Vedic scriptures differ from the conclusions of material science in that they are not based on imperfect sensory investigation, but are apaurusa i.e., they emanate from God, who is beyond the material world. In other words, Vedic evidence stands above the defects of conditioned souls within the material world. Thus, when it comes to real scientific knowledge, the standard of Vedic authority is perfect because it originates directly from the all-perfect, omniscient Personality of Godhead.
The Vedic account of our planetary system is already researched, concluded, and perfect. The Vedas state that the moon is 800,000 miles farther from the earth than the sun. Therefore, even if we accept the modern calculation of 93 million miles as the distance from the earth to the sun, how could the “astronauts” have traveled to the moon–a distance of almost 94 million miles–in only 91 hours (the alleged elapsed time of the Apollo 11 moon trip)? This would require an average speed of more than one million miles per hour for the spacecraft, a patently impossible feat by even the space scientists’ calculations.
Another important reason why the manned moon landing must be a hoax is that, according to the Vedas, each planet has its particular standard of living and atmosphere, and no one can transfer from one planet to another without becoming properly qualified. This means that if someone wants to go to Mars, for instance, he has to give up his present gross material body and acquire another one suitable for life on that particular planet. Vedic knowledge teaches that the living being doesn’t die with the death of the body, but that he is an eternal spirit soul. As Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita, “As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death” (Bhagavad-gita, 2.13). At the time of death the human being transfers to another material body according to the desires he cultivated and the work he performed during his lifetime. Therefore, since the moon has a particular standard of life and atmosphere, if one wants to travel there he has to adapt his material body to the conditions of that planet.
Even on the earth planet these restrictions hold true. For example, a human being cannot possibly live in the water nor can a fish live on land. These are the rigid conditions of life, and any attempt to defy them is artificial and will fail. Similarly, just as you have to change your dress if you want to go from India to Europe, where the climatic conditions are different, so you also have to change your physical “dress” if you want to go to the specialized atmosphere of the moon. In other words, if you want to go to the moon or the sun or any other higher planet, you can keep your finer dress of mind, intelligence, and ego, but you have to leave behind your gross dress (your physical body) made of earth, water, fire, and other material elements, and acquire a body suitable for your destination.
Of course, none of this will help you solve the real problem of life–entrapment in the vicious cycle of birth and death. As Krsna states in the Bhagavad-gita, even if one transfers in his next life to a very elevated position in the highest planet in the universe, Brahmaloka, he will still have to experience birth and death. The goal of human life is to free the soul from its continuous transmigration among different species of life on various planets, and to transfer to the spiritual planets, where life is eternal. To reach these planets, a complete change of both gross and subtle bodies is necessary, for one can reach the spiritual sky only in a spiritual form. We will elaborate on this a little later, but our point here is that you cannot simply force yourself onto another planet without the proper qualification.
Just as in the United States there are laws controlling the entry of foreigners through the issuance of visas, so in the universe there are also laws controlling the movement of all living beings–even astronauts and scientists–and unless one’s karma is such that he deserves to take birth on the moon or the sun or the earth or wherever, he cannot defy the laws of nature and go there by force. The scientists are always claiming they are independent of nature’s law, but even they have to submit to death and rebirth; they cannot check them. Similarly, they cannot go to the moon planet, which the Vedas describe not as a lifeless desert but as a heavenly planet of extraordinary material pleasures. Where the astronauts actually went, or how this fabrication of lunar visitation will one day be exposed to people in general, are not part of our present discussion. But the Vedic teachings warn us that the manned moon landing is certainly an empty bluff.
When we contradict the revered scientists like this and warn people that, through the use of brainwashing propaganda, they are being cheated out of billions of hard-earned tax dollars–we ourselves are accused of brainwashing. But which is better: a sober warning or a colossal multi-billion-dollar hoax?
Furthermore, even if, for argument’s sake, we accept, that the “astronauts” did go to the moon, our main contention still holds: the moon excursion is a hoax, a mass brainwashing job. Why? Because it has no value. Even the scientists now admit its uselessness, and their interest in going to the moon has subsided. After many years of concentrated effort and billions of dollars of public money spent, the scientists have concluded that the moon is uninhabitable and have stopped trying to go there. But the public is encouraged to regard this failure as a wonderful achievement! “Just see! They have come back with some moon dust!” Long ago the Vedic literatures said the moon was uninhabitable by man, before going there the scientists themselves predicted they could not live in that atmosphere, and upon reaching the moon they discovered the same thing–that they could not live there. So what is the value of this kind of billion-dollar excursion, which has produced only a few rocks?
The scientists’ stubbornness is like that of a boy who is repeatedly warned by his father not to stick his finger in the revolving blades of a fan, but who goes ahead and does it anyway, and is hurt. The scientists insisted that a lunar landing would prove the United States to be the most advanced nation. Never mind that it cost billions, which could have been spent on worthwhile projects, such as feeding the starving. The brainwashing was so extreme that at one point Pan American Airlines was even selling tickets to the moon, and there was talk of colonizing it, although everyone acknowledged that it is impossible to live there. And yet if we speak out strongly against this nonsense, people say we are brainwashed–for not believing in the bluff of the moon excursion. Now, having squeezed as much prestige as possible out of their great “success” in reaching the moon, the scientists have become disappointed and set their sights on Mars and the huge expenditure of public funds goes on.
Again, we do not say that man should neglect science, but rather that he should practice science according to the authorized knowledge of the laws of nature. The scientists should not attempt to defy the laws of nature, or those of God, but should work humbly in harmony with the real purpose of human life–liberation from the cycle of birth and death. Despite all scientific theorizing, research, and technology, the scientists do not even know the nature of the life within the body, how life enters the body, and where life goes after death. Not being able to produce even the smallest living creature, and being unable to stop death, the modern scientists should not consider themselves the all-in-all.
If we desire to praise someone for scientific achievements, let us praise the Great Brain who is actually controlling all living beings by directing His material energy, and who regulates the immense machinery of the universe. Let us follow Lord Brahma, who sings in the Vedic scripture Brahma-samhita (5.52): “I worship Govinda [Krishna], the primeval Lord, by whose order the sun assumes immense power and heat and traverses its orbit.” The sun is a creation of God; it is not a creation of the scientists. So also are the oceans and the great mountains, the resources of nature, and outer space–all are works of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As for machine-making, the material energy of Krishna, the Supreme Energetic, has expertly fashioned male and female forms that go on reproducing themselves without further assistance from Him. And this happens over and over in millions of species. Can the scientists create such replicating machines? Can they create a sun and keep it floating perpetually in space? Can they create the oceans, the brain of a great scientist like Einstein, or even an ant or an amoeba? No. All these scientific achievements are the works of God. And when God Himself speaks through authorized scriptures like the Bhagavad-gita, He explicitly says, “Do not waste your time trying to go to the Moon; that is not your place.” If the godless human scientists defy this Supreme Scientist and Supreme Controller, then disaster will befall them and whoever follows them. Therefore we are protesting a godless science that defies God’s laws.
In Easy Journey to Other Planets, written back in 1959, His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada warned us that attempting to reach the moon by materialistic methods is a waste of time. In a speech ten years later he further explained:
If we go to live on the moon–assuming that it is possible even with an oxygen mask, how long could we stay? Furthermore, even if we had the opportunity to stay there, what would we gain? We might gain a little longer life perhaps, but we could not live there forever. That is impossible. And what would we gain by a longer life? …Near San Francisco I have seen a forest where there is a tree 7,000 years old. But what is the benefit? If one is proud of standing in one place for 7,000 years, that is not a very great credit.
Of course, scientists, journalists, and politicians are not known for considering things in the philosophical light of transcendental knowledge, but a sober fact to consider is this: if, even after all the scientists’ achievements, we must still die and suffer the miseries of repeated birth and death, then what is the benefit of that science? Krsna tells us not to waste our valuable time with things that are only temporary and do not lead to liberation from birth and death. “Don’t waste your time going from this planet to that planet,” He says in the Bhagavad-gita. “Your material miseries will only follow you.” So the moon excursion is a hoax in yet another, all-important sense: the scientists are leading people to believe they will be happy if they go to the moon, but when considered in the context of the eternal soul’s welfare, going to the moon and living there for many, many years still won’t solve the problems of life. It is a hoax to claim that the endeavor to travel to other planets will bring happiness. A person can be happy only if he receives information from authorized scriptures about the nature of the soul and the method of liberating the soul from his suffering condition. This liberation is the goal of Krishna consciousness.
And yet, when we warn people not to waste their lives in temporary achievements, when we warn them not to engage in sinful activities that will force them to transmigrate to lower planets and lower forms of life–they accuse us of being duped and spreading false propaganda. But we will not be quieted by their accusations. As devotees of Krishna, we must go on repeating His instructions for everyone’s benefit. As Krishna tells us in His incarnation as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, “Instruct everyone to follow the teachings of Lord Sri Krsna as they are given in the Bhagavad-gita and the Srimad-Bhagavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in the world
So you have to decide who is actually cheating: the materialist, who promises happiness in the context of temporary advancement and enjoyment, and who thereby ignores the eternal soul, or the spiritualist, the Krishna conscious person, who says, “Always think of Krishna and become His devotee. Worship Him and bow down before Him. If you practice in this way, at the end of life you will certainly return to the supreme spiritual planet, which is eternal and free from all miseries, because of your full absorption in and devotion to the Lord.”
You are utter fools, that the only thing can be said about your completely irrational ideas and a bunch of lies.
Shame on you.
Misunderstanding of scripture happens all the time in every religion. Truly only men of realization are qualified to make comments on sciptures and their meanings notwithstanding the intprettations, translations and mistranslations that have been passed down through the ages. There is nothing wrong with a scientific approach to life and its enigmas and in reality there is no contradiction between science and true religion or spirituality. Everything that happens happens by the “Divine Will” otherwise it couldn’t happen. Life is in a state of constant flux, we are living and learning moving forward mostly and sometimes backward but ever onward and upward on the path of Self-Realization.
There is no reason not to believe that there has been a landing on the moon. This is a world where people make choices. We are not automatons. Everyone cannot fit into the same mold. No one has the right to determine what others should or should not be doing unless it is somehow harmful to society at large. We live, we learn, we discover. No single religion or philosophy is the sole harbinger of truth. Each man must discover for himself what truth is and how to live effectly and attain happiness. Freedom of choice has been given to man for this purpose.
The vedic scriptures do not state anything about the moon landing being a hoax. The vedic scriptures go way back and were written too long ago. This sounds like someones misinterprettation of scripture. Religion should not be used as a tool to subvert the rational thinking of human beings. Many people make the mistake of misunderstanding scripture and mixing half truths with truth and then making statements that are not fully accurate. Blind belief is not acceptable. Faith includes testing your beliefs scientifically and proving to yourself that they are true. You cannot fit a square peg into a round hole. It just doesn’t work. If the round hole of your undnerstanding is flawed then, the square peg of reality including scientific truth will never fit.
You pro apollo nuts can just stick your fingers in your ears and say “Baaaaaa” You are all sheep that believe everything you see on TV. FACT: The highest man has ever flown is 368 miles above the Earth in the Space Shuttle. Everything, from retro reflectors, moon rocks and telementary have been 100% debunked. And of course, when NASA is pressed to provide the original copies of ANYTHING relating to this, they come back with “it’s been misplaced or lost”… Really? The MOST SIGNIFICANT achievement in the HISTORY of MANKIND and you toss around the documentation like it’s a used kleenex. Anyone, with ANY photography experience can look at photos taken on the moon and prove they were staged in a controlled environment on EARTH. I don’t know how many pics from the Moon have “fall-off” which is 100% IMPOSSIBLE with a NON-ATMOSPHERIC, DAY LIT landscape. (they supposidly landed on the day lit side of the moon, not the dark side) Not to mention multiple light sources and men fully lit in shadow. The Apollo nuts always say, “light reflected from the surface”… Well, the surface has the same luminosity as common asphalt here on Earth and try getting those same results out in the street.
Acceptance is the pathway to happiness Apollo believers. Or you can keep your anger and frustration spilling out on sites like this.
40 years ago my dad drove a Pontiac Bonneville with drum brakes, carberuated motor, and AM radio… it seems we’ve come along way here on Earth, but have regressed in Space.
“Well, the surface has the same luminosity as common asphalt here on Earth”
Ah, so that must be why the moon lights up earth’s night. Because it’s dark as asphalt. That makes perfect sense.
Every square meter of the moon shine with the light of a 60 watt bulb.
..FACT: The highest man has ever flown is 368 miles above the Earth in the Space Shuttle
Where did you get this fact?
…Everything, from retro reflectors, moon rocks and telementary have been 100% debunked
Again by Who and where, is there a website?
…Not to mention multiple light sources
There are no multiple shadows
…Well, the surface has the same luminosity as common asphalt here on Earth
How do you know that? Have you studied the surface of the moon and how was it obtained?
I saw a documentary that countered the moon landing conspiracy theory documentaries and other ‘evidence.’ The flag waves because in a vacuum there is less friction, and it takes force to shove a flag in the ground. This force jiggles the flag, and it appears to wave, but then stops. We can even see this in the moon landing videos. We can’t see stars in the video because it’s an old camera - even the astronauts aren’t in high resolution. Footprints can be made in a vacuum because of the nature of moon dust - it holds its form without needing moisture. The fact that a popular TV show (Mythbusters) was able to tackle all these myths and destroy them is pretty good evidence to me that they at least landed on the physical moon.
There are also observatories you can go to yourself and witness very strong evidence for the moon landing. For one, some astronauts have gone there and placed retro-reflectors, that is, a reflector that reflects light directly back to the source of the light, as opposed to a regular reflector which bounces light in a perpendicular fashion. Retro-reflectors are like the lights on the back of a bicycle. Using these retro-reflectors, scientists on earth point and fire high-powered laser beams which bounce back at the speed of light. All you then have to do is time how long it takes for the laser-beam to return to earth to get a measurement of the distance from the earth to the moon. And it’s not as though pointing a laser at any part of the moon does this - they showed this on Mythbusters, too.
As far as I understand, even if we went to the moon in physical space, the Vedas state there are many different dimensions in the material world. Just as there are bodies suitable to living on the sun planet, there must be some sort of suitable reality which we have no access to that exists on other planets. It also states in the Vedas that only advanced sages could actually see the demigods. This is the only suitable explanation I can think of. That and the possibility we didn’t go to the moon proper - we went somewhere else. But that still doesn’t explain the retro-reflectors.
Just now in the last decade have scientists in general taken under consideration that in different places in the universal physical laws that were formerly considered generally a constant indeed vary in different locations throughout the universe.
I can see the demigods. You don’t have to be a great sage.
Remember also Srila Prabhupada was a scientist too. He did say that eventually from this Planet that telephone transmission to the Narayana Lokas (Worlds) will be possible. So that a telephone conversation with a resident of Narayana Loka in the spiritual world and someone here on Earth will be possible.
hari hari nara hari
“Just now in the last decade have scientists in general taken under consideration that in different places in the universal physical laws that were formerly considered generally a constant indeed vary in different locations throughout the universe.”
[citation needed]
It’s already possible, my friend, IF it’s not fraud, of course. It’s called instrumental transcomunication, you know. Here in Brazil there are some of the great names of such work in the world. Check this site out:
http://www.ipati.org/
All the best
Regardless of whether or not the moon-landing is a hoax, how can the moon be located “800,000 miles farther from the earth than the sun”, when we regularly see the moon pass in front of the sun? This is something that can be observed using no (or very cheap) equipment every time there is a solar eclipse.
All this type of calculation (of planetary placement and so forth) is very meticulos and super-time-consuming to explain with illustrations and mapping and so forth. The original mapping of this subject matter that is understandable to modern society has at this time been lost to obscurity. So how it shall manifest again is a mystery. The positioning of Just the Earth and Sun alone as conjunct and appossed to one another is very intricate and cannot be summed readily. Saying such and such and so far away like this just cannot clarify any vedic conclusion just like that to Their reletivity. There is soooo much more to it. Unfortunately, like I said at present this science has been lost to obscurity.
Shorter Narahari Lockhart:
I will use big words that I don’t know what they mean to try and confuse simpletons like me because I have no idea what I’m saying.
Just answer the question, how can an object block your view of another object that is closer to the viewer?
It can’t. The only way an object can block your vision of another one is if it is BETWEEN you and the other object. To be between you and the other object, it must be CLOSER than the other object. Period. No exceptions. No other possibilities.
There is another possibility. It may be that the object that is blocking your view is not the object that is further away. According to the Vedic model there is a dark planet called rahu which is causing the eclipse. So it is rahu, not the moon blocking the sun on a solar eclipse…
So let me get this straight, you can see the moon, which you claim is past the sun, which would mean it would have to be much larger than the sun (since it appears larger than the sun on earth) and you can see it as it approaches the sun before an eclipse. Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere this dark planet rahu comes along and matched the exact apparent size, shape and orbit path of the moon only while it’s passing the sun (because remember, you could see the moon before and after, so it’s not blocking it there) and then immediately after the eclipse it’s gone?
What about lunar eclipses, where you can see the shadow of earth block the sun’s light from the moon? You can’t use the rahu arguement here, for 2 obvious reasons (actually, many obvious reasons but I’ll name 2 here). 1, during a lunar eclipse the moon isn’t completely dark thanks to earth shine (like moon shine but brighter) and other reflected light (off it’s edges) and 2, rahu would have to have an impossible orbit to line up with both solar and lunar eclipses.
Rahu has some independent movement. It does not have a fixed orbit like other planets we see. So He can adjust himself to cause both the solar and lunar eclipses. I do not pretend to understand all the details of exactly how this is working. I am just letting you know that another explanation of the way eclipses occur is available and it just may be that things are not all exactly the way we have presumed they are. I would suggest you read the Fifth Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam where you can get more details of the Vedic understanding of the universe. It is quite completely different from the way we see the universe. But I will guarantee it is correct. But it is very difficult for us to understand how it could be correct because of our current world view. You can read the Fifth Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam online at:
http://prabhupadabooks.com/?g=42026
Try and read it in the mood that it is a correct and ancient description of the universe given by someone who has a completely different perspective of the universe to us. This is not written from the perspective of earth at all…
I think you meant, “This is not written from the perspective of REALITY at all…”
FTFY
ahhahah.. that’s hilarious
You got your astronomy wrong and when it’s time for you to explain simple phenomenon such as a solar eclipse you endup making Star Wars like planets.
Your assertion: >>how could the “astronauts” have traveled to the moon–a distance of almost 94 million miles–in only 91 hours ? <<
The answer is simple, you have actually provided most of the elements yourself. The moon is just 238,000 miles from Earth. Good thing you’re not in charge of space programs.
The problem with postulating a different planet causing the eclipse, is that it must not only match the apparent size of the moon, it must also match the movement of the moon, but _without_ overlapping the moon except when this object also “overlaps” the sun.
And this is simply not physically possible, except if you wish to suggest that the supposed third object is perfectly transparent (with zero refraction, another physical impossibility), except when it passes in front of the sun, in which case it is completely opaque …
Additionally, the moon can be photographed as it moves in front of the sun, thanks to the light reflected from the earth, and it is obviously not suddenly replaced by a different object. For examples of such images, see for instance this Index to Eclipse and Astronomy Photographs: http://mreclipse.com/Special/photo.html#solar
Here are a few good examples, in which _the moon_ can be seen covering the sun:
http://mreclipse.com/SEphoto/TSE2008/image/T08-1128-37w.JPG
http://mreclipse.com/SEphoto/TSE2006/image/T06-1118m1w.JPG
http://mreclipse.com/SEphoto/TSE2006/image/T06-2040+41w.JPG
With a photo of the non-eclipsing moon for reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_PIA00302.jpg
Hence there does not seem to be any reason to think that the moon is further from the earth than the sun, on the contrary!
The Moon is “800,000 miles farther from the earth than the sun” …
Vedas support a Geocentric Solar System - Earth at the centre of the solar system, around which all other heavenly bodies orbit. The Vedas are saying that Sun circles the Earth at a lower orbit than the Moon, that the Sun is 800,000 miles closer to us than the Moon.
“Puranic cosmology, … holds a geocentric view of the universe and describes the sun as closer to the earth than the moon, … ” from Hinduism and Science - A Hindu Primer by Shukavak N. Dasa
I don’t know which is more silly, alleging an Apollo Conspiracy or promoting a Geocentric Solar System.
I knew this, when I was a kid it all seemed so fake. Especially the moonwalk. In low gravity simulation also you will see that a man will rise higher when he was hopping around like the astranauts on the moon.
But the astronauts stay very low to the ground. It is obvious that they made the astronauts hop and then played it in slowmotion.(If any idiot is talking about a spacesuit being heavy, then the astronauts would not be able to move while on earth if the suits were that heavy)
And about mythbusting americans are experts.
The typical myth busting stratergy is you take just a few ambigious statements from the conspiracy theory and you “bust” it(even though it can be argued and sometimes in over zealousness, conspiracy theorist tend to jump to wrong conclusions about certain things, not all or the gist of the theory always is right)
And then they make up 10 other “theories and bust. These theories would either have been created by the mythbusters themselves or would be created by a “misinformist”. “Misinformists” are created to give the real conspiracy theorists a bad name. Sometimes “misinformist” also mislead the “real” conspiracy theorists. They do that by convincing them with “doctored” evidence that something(false) is true and influence them to add it to their theory, thus destroying the reliability of the theory.
This is how such theories are rebuked. Also these mythbuster latch to one mistake in the theory which is actually irrelevant and make all the “fools” concentrate on that and thus convince people the theory is false.
What the rebuttal of the moon landing never talks about is. Why photos of the sky was never taken.(since the photos of the surface and astronauts showed a black sky to which the excuse given was the aperture of the camera was not adjusted so the sky would not appear, which I accept as on earth too this would happen). You really believe them when they tell you that they took a camera which did not have an adjustment features. They took 2(or 3) moon mobiles which cost thousands of dollars(which was nothing more than a sand mobile) and did not even think of fitting even one camera which could click the sky. When they knew that every astronomer on earth was waiting to see something new. Well my friend it was the astronomers that made NASA afraid as they knew that they would have to be really accurate or else any amatuer astromoner would have called out their bluff. They did not have an astronomer on board who was willing to do the calculations and and project how the sky would look and also maybe they were not able to re-create the sky during those days
Ok coming to the point.
I only keep asking one question that no one asks if the moon landing was a hoax, then WTF is India doing????
The Chandrayan is a hoax too then.
I truly believe the NASA is lying. Sometimes my theory is that NASA did go to the moon, because common you are talking about NASA here. Don’t you think they would have not know that when the moon vessel landed it would create a burnt hole(which we do see in the pictures) in the ground.
Maybe they were too over confident so that is why they never bothered.
They thought we are too foolish(and they could be right considering the opposition you have faced here)
But I also think they are hiding what they say on the moon if they indeed when to the moon. This controversy that we are in. We are only fighting did we go to the moon or did we not.
No one even for a moment thinks that maybe NASA went to the moon found something else and is not telling us because they want to exploit and keep it for themselves.
So they created this entire fake landing and kept it deliberately fake so that we would only be arguing about a “fake” controversy and never get to the bottom of the truth.
So many people believe the moon landing is fake even in India but not one bloody Idiot had the guts to question the Chandrayan.(mission of India to the moon)
I am sure that Indian scientist would know of the fact that we cannot travel in this form to the moon or any planet for that matter.
I still believe that theories of “rifts” “wormholes” and “star gates” are the only way to travel in space. Even Einstien speaks of wormholes.
So this has to be a hoax.
Why is not the ISKON community question the Indian space mission. Since it is unmanned I think we should see the truth.
The sad part is today Computer graphics is so advanced that anything can be created to look original so we will never know if the Indians are also telling the truth.
astronauts are not able to walk around in spacesuit on the earth. They wear flight suits while on earth and in the shuttle flight etc. Space walk suits are considerable heavier. While wear the spacewalk suits on earth the astronauts have to be forklifted in an out a pools for their pratice walks.
It’s insane to me to just ignore proven scientific fact that have been proven by countless observations. And none of the math and physics with oribit and celestial bodies is that complex. It’s the expanding universe or bodies out of orbit, traveling through space being affected by larger bodies were the calculation get complex.
The counter argument is just made up fluff without any supporting data. Lighting still means the gods are angry right?
“Why do you accept the popular version of the manned moon landing? Because you believe the authority of the scientists, the journalists, and the politicians who propagate that version. When we cite the Vedic scriptures, which state that the “astronauts” could not have gone to the moon, we are simply favoring another authority.”
There is another way apart from a choice of “authority”. That is to accept that certain things are shown to be false. If the Vedic scriptures were true then certain other things would be true (parralax measurements for example). As they are not I can reject Vedic scripture without having to rely on an “authority”. In the cited example I can reject the Vedic denial of the moon landings and I can reject the “secular” conspiracy theories that the moonlandings were faked without invoking an authority. The only cogent theory available to me ends up being that the moonlandings took place. Thus I can conclude that the moonlandings took place without invoking an authority, without starting from the premise of belief in scientists and journalists (the belief in what they say is a conclusion, not a premise).
It’s like you guys never heard of space suits…
seriously. The article states that you can’t survive in water. Right, that’s why we have SCUBA gear, old diving suits, and submarines. Water is actually very much like space, in terms of our ability to survive in it. That’s why astronauts train in water on earth first. A dive suit is to water as a space suit is to space. A submarine is to water as a spacecraft is to space. You can’t deny that there are astronauts on the ISS as we speak. What changes if they were to go from empty space to the surface of a celestial body with no atmosphere such as the moon? absolutely nothing.
You are correct of course. We can put on a diving suit and swim under the water for a while and certainly there are astronauts in ISS and even we can fly in an airplane for some time. So maybe it is possible to go to the moon and walk around in a space suit for a few hours. Even perhaps you can build a house there and produce some artificial atmosphere that you can stay for a few months. But the point being made in this article is that really if you want to live on the moon you need a different type of body. It will never be very practical for us to live on the moon in the bodies that we have been born with on earth.
There is a much more practical way of traveling to the moon. According to the Vedas we understand that we are all eternal living entities. We are not killed when the body dies. The soul continues on. And there is a scientific process that one can practice to determine where he will be in the next body. Bhagavad-gita states that whatever one thinks of at the time of death he will attain that state. So if one can think of the moon at the time of death his soul will travel to the moon and take birth there in a body suited to living on the moon. In this way he can live there comfortably for his whole life.
Of course the moon is relatively close. One day it may be possible for us to go there by some mechanical arrangement. But this system of meditating on your intended destination at the time of death will work for any location in the universe and beyond. Even in the spiritual world. So this is a practically instant way of traveling to any place anywhere in the material or spiritual worlds. And the advantage is when you get to your destination you will have a body suited to the atmosphere of the planet you are born on. So you will be able to live your whole life there comfortably without any space suit. Compared to hopping around the moon for an hour or so in a spacesuit I think you can see this is a much better alternative.
Short of being placed on the moon in person, will just never believe it happened. It’s that simple. There are too many people on this planet to all agree that something did or did not happen no matter what the evidence.
The evidence of landing on the Moon is immense. The Moon is not a photo/tv studio. Images look the way they do because it is an alien environment. For every good photo taken there were a handful of unusable ones. Do more research concerning how things behave in a vacuum (near vacuum).
Nowhere on this planet is there a vacuum chamber large enough to fake the Moon walks. When you watch how the soil reacts when kicked around you’ll see it is behaving in an airless fashion. No air to suspend the dust means it just travels in the direction it was sent in and falls back according to gravity.
I won’t even get into the other debunks. It’s out there if you want to believe it. If you don’t, then just remain ignorant until we eventually go back and revisit the old sites. They’ll be there for eons.
During a solar eclipse the moon can be clearly seen to cross in front of the sun. There is nothing “very meticulos and super-time-consuming” about it.
That is what appears to you to be happening. But everything is not always as it seems. This is actually an illusion… There is another dark planet who hides in the shadow of the moon that passes in front of the sun as the moon passes behind it…
Ok, you just proved your own answer wrong. Try and picture this with me. This is what you’re describing.
Earth —- Dark Planet —- Sun —- Moon
right?
Well, you say it “hides in the shadow of the moon”. Well, if the above model is true, the shadow of the moon would be extending out away from the earth since the sun is closer. In fact, the dark planet would have a shadow that covers the earth as it passes the sun (like the moon does, when there’s a solar eclipse). Your explanation is impossible, because you would see this dark planet instead of the moon before and after an eclipse, but that’s not the case.
Also, for the sizes of the bodies we can observe on earth to be true with your model, the moon would have to be immense, many thousands of times larger than the earth, and a number of times larger than the sun. Thanks to our knowledge of orbits, that would mean we’d have a moon-centric solar system.
According to the Vedas the moon is very, very large, much larger than the sun. You are not understanding the model so you can not understand where the shadow of the moon is or how rahu is hiding in it. It is a completely different “predictive model” to the one we currently accept. It does work. It does predict everything we see happening in the sky. But it’s assumptions as to the positions of the heavenly bodies and how they are moving are different.
We have an earth-centered universe actually. The reality is so far away from what we have speculated. And we are so committed to our perception of the universe around us that we can not even consider such basic fundamental beliefs that we hold like the positions of the planets and the movements of the heavenly bodies could be wrong. But they are wrong…
To consider these possibilities means starting from scratch and considering that the things we observe could be explained in a different way to the current explanation we accept as “fact.”
So the Lunar Retroreflector array, just… grew there?
If you don’t know what it is (and clearly, you have NO clue) then I suggest you look here;
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/21jul_llr.htm
It has been in constant use since Neil Armstrong placed it along with the other Lunar surface experiments (the Retroreflector is the only one still working) and is used by more than a dozen observatories on a daily basis.
I would be VERY interested in hearing your explanation for it’s existence there.
This I have explained many times.
Firstly I have studied the experiment in great depth and the experiment itself is not very conclusive that the reflectors are actually there.
Secondly some of the apparent reflectors were placed on the moon by non-manned missions and if they are in fact there they could have all been placed by non-manned missions.
Thirdly I have discussed in detail, even in a perfect situation, how much of the light from a laser fired through a telescope from earth going through the atmosphere and traveling 1/4 million can actually hit a 1 foot square reflector on the moon? By the time the laser light gets to the moon it is spread out over 100 square miles. It is practically nothing. And then this practically non-existent reflection has to travel back to the earth another 1/4 million miles and it will be spread out over 100 square miles. How much of that almost non-existent reflection can fall on the mirror of an 18″ telescope???
This experiment is more theoretical than practical. Sure in theory it seems OK. But get yourself a telescope and a laser and try it for your self. It is almost impossible even if you have the best equipment.
And, finally, if you haven’t noticed, the moon is a reflector. So it may well be possible to bounce the reflection off the surface of the moon. You have got millions of times more laser light falling on the moon’s surface than on the 1 foot square reflector…
If you just think a little cool-headedly about this. You are trying to point a light at a 1 foot square reflector 1/4 of a million miles away and expect to be able to detect the reflection…
So the bottom line is this experiment is not proof that there are reflectors on the moon put there by us, the moon itself is a reflector… And even if there are reflectors there they could have been put by non-manned missions…
Madhudvisa dasa
Did you even click that link?
The reflectors are used daily by astronomers. They can hit them pretty reliably. They’re not just being reflected by the moon itself, the moon isn’t reflective in that sense. Now you’ll argue about how it reflects light, etc. Did you know there’s such thing as “earth shine”? Since we’re such a large planet, and we have an atmosphere, it’s actually much brighter than the moon’s glow on us. From the moon’s point of view, there earth goes through phases just like the moon does from ours. A night on the moon with a “full earth” would actually illuminate the surface quite a bit, while a “new earth” would leave it pitch black.
Hare Krishna Brian
I know what the astronomers are doing. I spent quite some time with the only group who are doing this experiment full time in Texas. They have a dedicated telescope and laser and detector and are doing this experiment practically every night since the 70’s, maybe 60’s.
These reflectors are very difficult to hit and it is then very difficult to get the reflection back onto the detector. I have written so much about this that obviously you have not read.
It is the same old story this group of four men who are performing this experiment [one old scientist plus 3 lab technicians] get funded by NASA to get the results and prove that the reflectors are on the moon and obviously if they do not produce these results NASA will cancel the experiment and they will have no more jobs. This is a very strong motivation to produce results.
But if you actually go there and look at what they are doing and study the experiment and the equipment they are doing it with you will be surprised. The “hits” they are getting could be caused by so many other things.
Point is that this experiment is not conclusive and even if there are reflectors on the moon they could have been put there by unmanned missions. The only point I am making is that the reflector experiment in no way proves man ever walked on the moon.
Madhudvisa dasa
The structure of the solar system is such basic and routinely verifiable
scientific results, that to make such a claim that we don’t know the position
of moon, is just insane. With ordinary parallax measurements, anybody with
a surveying instrument
can calculate the distance to the moon, to with a few 100s of miles.
The laser reflectors that were left by the astronauts are used routinely
be astronomers to measure the distance of the moon to within a centimeter.
I would be interested if you would post “chapter and verse” the passages
from the Vedas which claim that the Moon is further from the Sun from the
earth, so that we can read for ourselves and determine how much of
your claims are a particular
interpretation of the Vedas, rather than an actual quote.
If you do not want to make the Hari Krishna movement, and Vedic
traditions look ridiculous, then perhaps you should not be trying to
do bad science with them.
Anyone that doesn’t believe that they landed on the moon is an IDIOT!!! It took them countless years to get a rocket to get to outer space. Then one year, they did it. Got man on the moon and left the USA Flag up there. I’m sure they had a special one made for the moon, with some metal inside the flag to hold it in place. And the WHOLE world saw it. Even the Astronauts had a ball up there. Kicking a rock around, like it was a soccer ball. After they were done up there, got back in the ship and blasted off back to Earth. With stuffs they got from the moon. Even the old clippings that I saw proves it. I saw everthing at the NASA Space Center and planning to go back there again. Even right now, they are working on the space station up there.
there is a video on YouTube called “Hindu Cosmology- Bhagavatam- mysteries of The Universe in a five part series….its by Richard Thompson…..
i think it is worth watching, it gives a good detail description on the Vedic Perspective on this topic….
have fun…
Thanks for that link, will check it out.
I really love how the “evidence” you are deriving your conclusion on is an irrelevant block of gibberish written before the advent of projectile kinematics.
It fascinates me how someone can lie to themselves so blatantly.
Gee, wouldn’t you think that if it were so easy for bronze age farmers to discern the mechanics of astrophysics and the capabilities thereof, that they would’ve used their doubtless IMMENSE intellectual prowess to, i don’t know, NOT die in obscure poverty and be completely forgotten of by history until some lunatic conveniently needs them to disprove something that I can confirm with a telescope ON MY OWN?
Hare Krishna Draegur
Modern science is not very advanced. There are so many aspects of science that are not yet discovered by the Western scientists. You think that knowledge is recent and five thousand years ago humanity lived in caves and had no knowledge.
This is a great misconception and a symptom of your ignorance and the ignorance of “modern science.”
Mankind had scientific knowledge far, far beyond anything that today’s scientists could imagine hundreds of thousands, even millions and hundreds of millions and billions of years ago.
We are so puffed-up with the small scientific knowledge we have discovered over the past 100 years or so and do not realize this is nothing compared to the knowledge the ancients had.
You have no idea of the vast intellectual powers of the ancient scientists compared to our practically non-existent intelligence today. Today we are so dull and so unintelligent because of our way of life.
Do not underestimate the value of the knowledge in the ancient books of knowledge left for us by the great thinkers of the past…
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Dear Madhudvisa dasa,
Again, I would ask if you would quote chapter and verse the
passages from the Vedas that you claim give the structure
of the solar system, particularly the part about the moon being
farther from the earth than the sun.
-John
Is it not possible planetary orbits have changed throughout time?
I, personally do not doubt the ancient scriptures ’cause I believe it holds meaning beyond our casual intellect. However, I am not so sure of the ways it is interpreted by people who claim to understand the vedas.
My only question with regards to this article is… why didn’t the vedic scholars raise questions or doubts on this issue back then? Why is it being rasied now? If the vedic scholars understand that the vedas so clearly disregard any attempt like this, then this issue of man landing on the moon should have been raised back in 1969.
Dear satsvarupa-dasa-goswami,
Please quote exactly, given chapter and verse of the Vedas
so that interested parties may read for themselves what the Vedas
say regarding the structure of the solar system. Particularly the parts
about the distance to the Sun and Moon.
-John
In a way, does it have any meaning in our lives whether or not the moon landing was for real, or a colossal hoax? It doesn’t put food on my table, or pay my rent. In closing, even if the astronauts were in fact on the moon and they barely jumped up, perhaps that’s because they may have felt if they jumped too high, they wind up leaving the moon and float in space forever.
Here’s why I incline toward “fake landing” party.
What do the scientists do after they discover anything of value? They boast about it very loudly. Now, they supposedly carried some rocks back from Moon. Hmmm… I would expect that they analysed them very thoroughly and built up theories about Moon’s structure, origins, etc., etc.
How is it that I’ve never heard or read a single word about these rocks? Could anybody refer to some publications? Or, did they really go there just like mountain climbers, ‘Yes we did it’? And come back proud of another enormous waste of money and resources?
Seek and ye shall find.
You can find a comprehensive list of samples taken during the Apollo missions here:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/samples/
As for publications relating to these, Google Scholar is your friend:
http://scholar.google.dk/scholar?hl=da&as_sdt=2000&q=analysis+lunar+sample
But your description of the motivation is also not exactly wrong. A large part of the missions was to flip the Communists the bird, it was never entirely scientific.
I always thought that the Krishnas were a group of well intentioned, blissful, easy-going, spiritualists.
Having read this article, I seems to be just another brain-washing cult determined to de-educate its adherents, keep them ignorant of reality and subservient to superstition.
Know I know where the saying “Ignorance is bliss” comes from.
It is NASA who are doing the brainwashing and de-education David. There is no proof whatsoever that man has walked on the moon.
Supposedly they did it in the 60’s but have never done it since and now, even though President Bush gave NASA so much money to do it again, they were not able to do it. The can not go to the moon now. And they have no hope of going to the moon at any time in the foreseeable future.
How can you believe they were able to go to the moon many times with manned missions and no loss of life with the very primitave technology of the 60’s and now, 50 years later, when technology has advanced so much, they have no idea at all how to go to the moon. They can not go now? And they have no idea when they will be able to go?
So wake up David. You have been brainwashed by NASA. We never went to the moon, it was physiological propaganda only to try and prove that USA was more advanced than Russia…
Why would Hare Krishna’s be “de-educating” their people except to make them all not trust the rest of the world - to make Americans look stupid, like idiots! Unbelievable! I pray that God will set this straight, so you will come back to reality and release others.
wow! (:
Michael said: “The fact that a popular TV show (Mythbusters) was able to tackle all these myths and destroy them is pretty good evidence to me that they at least landed on the physical moon.”
Actually, that was one of the saddest days in Mythbusters TV because they made an INCREDIBLE argument FOR conspiracy with their half hearted attempts to debunk, which, their final answer should have been “PLAUSIBLE”. Let me explain, for starters, it should be noted that the “mythbusters” are buddies with pro apollo nut, Phil Plait, who couldn’t even keep an arguement going against comedian Joe Rogan. Here this guy is supposed to be a scientist, and knuckle head Joe Rogan is devouring him on live radio. It’s people like Mr. Plait and the Mythbusters who usually FAIL when going one on one because they have a pre-disposed answer (IE: we went there) and they make their science fit and relay it in a controlled venue (IE: a taped and scripted TV show) SO now to the “Mythbusters” and their pre-determined result. For starters, they show you that you CAN reproduce the video and movements on Earth using cables. They even did practice jumps. Obviously, realizing that this isn’t GOOD for their pre-determined outcome, they say, why don’t we go up in an airplane, dip the nose to get 1/6 G and see what we get. OK, so they do and the dude waffles back and forth (but no jumps) WHY??? Because with the suit on, his head is right against the fusalage of the plane. Why is this significant? Because IF he had any room to jump, he’d be able to jump MUCH, MUCH higher than the reported 19 inch jump salute. Look, the suits weighed less than 75 pounds on EARTH, and using a fit, Apollo Astronaut size, Conservatvely say 180 pounds on Earth(they were probably much smaller), 180+75=255 255 pounds on Earth, 1/6 of that = 42.5 pounds on the Moon. THAT IS ALL THEY WEIGHED, yet the highest jump was 19 inches. They should have jumped, much, much higher. And the Mythbusters know this, yet they say that is proof enough and bust it. They also went to a laser and supposidly shot it off the retro reflector, however, in 1962 we bounced a laser off the moons surface. YOU DON’T NEED A RETRO REFLECTOR!!!! But, they have the lady point it in some random area, (a dark area I might add) and “they say” no reflection, but if you actually LOOK at the data their OWN FREAKIN CAMERA SHOWS, a PULSE PATTERN SPIKE TOO!!!! I stopped watching “Mythbusters” after that because they show that it was “PLAUSIBLE” to hoax it, yet conclude it busted, which ONLY means they had a pre-determined result and their airplane test was so full of holes, man, it’s LAUGHABLE. They should stick to blowing up hotwheels. Oh, and if any Pro Apollo Nut trys to come back with “suit pressure” crap to try to disprove the jump theory, I got sorry news for you, those suits were not under alot of pressure, as the Astronauts had to walk, bend down, move fingers etc. In fact, it was a very low PSI.
Are you people telling me that this piece of junk landed on the Moon, and then took off again?
http://apolloreality2.bravehost.com/index_files/0b1ac890.jpg
Hey Sam the link of the picture isn’t working?
I suppose all the stuff that was left on the moon by Apollo and the photographs showing that human made stuff lying around amid the astronaut footsteps, there are photographs from LRO, taken this year, are also part of the hoax, get a life knuckleheads.
Where are those photographs Bill???
They are but a Google-search away:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html
High-resolution images can be obtained at the LROC website:
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/
well Mr.Greg rowczeino, fools and rascals of first order like you believe everything what scientists say and have no faith in the scriptures. this is the symptom of kali yuga, the dark age of kali.
This takes stupidity to a whole new level
well neil armstrong, stupidity arises from stupid people like you who are just like demons and atheists with no faith in the scriptures and believe all the nonsense hypothesis which the scientists put forward.
Stupidity to a whole new level - I agree! The real scriptures (in the Bible) don’t mention a moon landing being a hoax. I would question how the Vedic scriptures (written before the Bible, even) would know about something to happen in the future being a hoax. You all make me laugh (in your consciousness malarky)
moon is actually considered as a higher planetary system according to the vedas. if one does good karma in the present life then he may get his next life on the moon. otherwise its not possible to go there by rocket or space ship.