Prabhupada And Nehru’s Incarnation
November 29, 2009 by the-truth-detector
Filed under India
The incident that we are going to recount took place in mid-sixties. It took place soon after Nehru’s death when Prabhupada was still alive. I was then working in an office in downtown Broadway in New York City, not too far from Brooklyn.
There at Brooklyn, in Henry Street, Prabhupada used to preach in a small house, which served, at the time, as some kind of a head-quarters of the Hare Krishna people. I used to go and attend their services, now and then, mostly after office and before returning to my apartment in Flushing, Queens.
Prabhupada, whenever he visited New York at the time, put up there and his sermons were attended in the evenings by a big crowd. Not only were there the usual chantings and eventual prasadam but there was a serious question and answer period. And the subjects varied from Varnashram Dharma to Reincarnation and many other similar topics. They were naturally of great interest to the local boys and girls, men and women of America but for us Hindus of India too, the question & answer period was of extreme interest and enlightenment. Those who have had the good fortune of hearing, first hand, Prabhupada’s sermons could easily imagine how charged the discussions were.
Nehru had died only a few weeks ago in India. Ashes from his funeral pyre had been strewn from airplanes, all over India. Every-where in India, the dead man’s eulogy was being sung and this was the man who was at the root of India’s unpreparedness when China attacked, the Kashmir imbroglio, the minority (or Mohammedan) problems in India and so on. It was amazing that many of the American disciples of Prabhupada were better informed of problems in India, generated by Nehru and his incompetence. However, the man had died only recently and out of a sense of propriety, no one spoke ill of Nehru in that congregation at the time.
Then a youngman asked Prabhupada a question on re-imcarnation. Was it true that most dead were reborn and passed through the cycle of life and death once again, except those few good men who attained nirvaana and were not born again but blended with Brahman or the Almighty? If so, could Prabhupada (who was considered to be a reincarnation of the sage Vyasa, the writer of the Mahabharatam) throw some light on the current status of Nehru. Did he obtain nirvaana or was he reborn; if so what kind of a body did he receive on his next birth?
The question was a loaded one, I thought. In fact, I had the misgiving that Prabhupada might refuse to answer. But then, I was wrong. I had not yet known Prabhupada so well. He was undaunted by any question and his reply came forth instantly. Quite clearly Prabhupada knew Nehru like the palm of his hand; it was us who knew so little of the man, thanks to all the well executed suppression of details of Nehru’s private and personal life by the GoI and the Indian media. For instance, even today, some half a century after Nehru and his family took over the reins of Indian government, we do not know who indeed was Indira’s father-in-law!
Prabhupada started his discourse. He said that Nehru was re-born almost immediately after his death, a thing that happens only to the most sinful people. He did not even have a short-lived taste of heaven before he was born again. What was worse, is that Nehru was born this time in the form of a dog. He was a dog in a small town of Sweden. His master had another dog before the dog-Nehru was acquired by him and so the dog-Nehru had to share the love of his master with another dog.
Prabhupada explained that to be born as a dog, after having been born as a Kashmiri Brahmin in India, is a big fall. It indicated that Nehru had led a vile life, a very vile life, during his existence as a man in India. Also, Nehru’s hatred for anything vaishnava did not make things any easier for him.
That Nehru was a meat-eater, specially beef-eater, a regular wine-drinker, made things even worse for him. On top of that, Nehru was (a fact which we did not know then and learnt later, much later, only after having read M.O. Mathai’s treatises on Nehru; Mathai should know for he was the Catholic private secretary for Nehru for a decade or so) a notorious womanizer. It was not only Mrs. Mountbatten that he slept with on a regular basis while our jawans were dying on battle fields in the north-east and in Kashmir; he used to sleep with each and every woman he could lay his hands on. Thus, he had left a chain of bastards one of whom had been delivered in a Catholic nunnery in Bangalore. In the mean time, his sidekick, one Krishna Menon, became the Minister of Defense. First thing he did was dismantle the Ichhapore Gun Factory and turned it into a coffee making machine factory. He was a communist and he loved the Chinese more than he loved Indians.
Prabhupada was quite discreet; we know now, for he did not divulge to us at the time that Nehru finally died of syphilis (exactly like the communist leader Lenin of Russia) and not a bullet wound on the battle front. Prabhupada, however, told us in detail all the harms Nehru did to the Hindus of India, all the insults that he had heaped on them during his reign.
Nehru used to brag of his non-Hindu upbringing. He used to say openly that he was brought up as a Mohammedan, educated as a westerner; it was only by accident that he was born a Hindu. It is now known that he was born in a house in the red-light district of Allahabad, where his father Motilal used to ply a brothel-keeper’s trade. No one wants to talk of this dark side of Nehru’s upbringing. On the other hand, it is said openly, wrongly of course, that he was born in the Anand Bhavan, which was not even owned by Moti Lal at the time Nehru was born.
However, the few little details that we learnt from Prabhupada opened our eyes and I returned home very depressed. I was even more depressed to think that our people in India were singing all kinds of fulsome obituaries for this man who was worse than a traitor to the Hindus, the overwhelming majority of India. What was wrong? The next few years showed us all that was wrong! His daughter, in order to create differences between the Hindus and the Sikhs, the fighting arm of the Hindus since generations, attacked the sacred temple at Hari-Mandir Sahib in Amritsar. She had to pay for the crime with her life and event-ually, as we have all seen, our gods saw to it that the dynasty was totally destroyed for the sins of Nehru, now a dog in Sweden! -
I have not come across the word ‘Hindu’ in our scriptures.
As I understand, that word was used by Persians to refer to the people living beside the river Indus.
So is ‘Hinduism’ not defined in any of our scriptures. My guess is that ‘Hinduism’ was coined by some Britisher.
By accepting to label ourselves as Hindu we begin to travel in paths untrodden by our ancestors- the sages who travelled this earth before us- and thus break away from our anscestors and make of ourselves orphans.
When we accept for ourselves a label that somebody else has given us, then we have to inevitably accept the definition they give us. And the definition they have chosen for us is definitely to suit them and in no way complementary to us. In their definition Sati, Child marriages, Caste oppression, bigotry, blind beliefs, superstitions, gender inequality, erotic sex, etc., are the customs that defines this ‘religion’ they call ‘Hinduism’.
These customs, I do not find in our scriptures. What I find in our scriptures is everything opposite of what they have defined.
That being so, are we not doing a great disservice to ourself and the future generations if we call ourself by that name?
What I have come across in our scriptures is the sage calling himself as Brahma - ‘ Aham Brahmasmi’, after achieving realisation. ‘I am Brahma- the supreme universal power.’
Which is the exact opposite of what the westerner defines his religion ‘ Hinduism’.
The tendency to label and slot people is inherent in the western thought influenced by the church which views Bible/Quran as the sacrosanct word of God which implies that everything is pre-defined, labelled.
People who follow Christianity, Islam, Communism etc., have to per force label themselves because it is done so by their Church/belief system. They also have definition for those who are non-followers- kafirs/ pagans/ capitalist etc. Independent thought has no place in such system.
The thought system prevalent in India by contrast was very dynamic and self-regenerating. This thought process can never be understood by the majority of the westerner/christian/muslim/jew/communist.
But that should not stop us from appreciating the wealth that we have.
It is intellectually liberating to refuse labels pasted upon us by others to suit their needs.
To the extent that it is deliberate insult to be called that name!
If at all we need identity for communal purposes(its not such a bad word!*), let it be the identity of being Indian- a citizen of India.
That the public consciousness accepts such labels indicates the extent to which the westerner occupies the intellectual landscape of our nation and the extent to which we have made ourselves Orphans- without ancestors!
*communal
–adjective 1. used or shared in common by everyone in a group: a communal jug of wine.
2. of, by, or belonging to the people of a community; shared or participated in by the public: communal land;
Building the playground was a communal project.
3. pertaining to a commune or a community: communal life.
While I am not a particular fan of Nehru , I wanted to know that given he has reincarnated as a Dog in sweden which was decades ago and by now that dog is probably dead and gone, what has happened to his soul? Plus when people are reincarnated as Animals do they even realise as to why they have obtained that kind of status. Does the dog posses the cognitive ability to realise as to what he did in his past life to obtain the life of a dog in the first place?
There are humans in this planet that live far worse off than dogs. I have dogs at home as pets and I care for them with all my heart and treat them like they are family or my own kids or younger siblings so in my view those dogs would not be suffering at all. I think true punishment is when the perpetrator realises that he is indeed being punished for his sins or crimes although the definition of Sin is very ambigious. For example Idolatry is a sin in Islam and Christianity while meat consumption is a sin in Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism.
Please forgive me for defining what I think punishment should be when I am in no place perfect at all to define what constitutes punishment. Infact I as a human being try my best to be good and good to others but it is frustrating to be around people who are bad influences, but I guess that could be intepreted as a test to rise above all that and do the right thing.
-Muski
Hare Krishna Muski
Thank you for the thoughtful questions.
The dog that Nehru incarnated as is surely dead and gone by now, but the soul of Nehru will never die. The soul is eternal. It was in the body of Nehru and then, because the soul did not properly use the body of Nehru to become free from attachments to the material world was degraded into the body of a dog.
In one sense you are right. A dog in Sweden would probably have lead a very pampered life and Nehru in the dog’s body probably felt quite happy a lot of the time. But the problem is he is still in a material body and the real suffering in a material body is birth, old age, disease and death. So he did not escape from these sufferings, there are also three other types of sufferings that every living entity who has a material body has to suffer. That is miseries coming from the mind, miseries coming from the acts of other living entities and miseries caused by the demigods who control the world around us. So as a dog Nehru would also have to suffer these three types of miseries.
But the worst thing about going from a human body to a dog’s body is that in a dog’s body one can not think about the subtle things a human can think of. Dogs have only four motivations: eating, sleeping, mating and defending. They have no ability to ponder the bigger questions of life like, “Why am I here?” “What is the purpose of life?” and “How can I get out of the material world?”
So it is a a great problem to loose the human form of life. It means, at least for some time, our spiritual advancement is interrupted.
You have a little bit misunderstood. It is not exactly punishment which is the reason Nehru was put in the body of a dog. Nehru developed the consciousness of a dog in this life so at the time of death he was thinking like a dog, therefore his next body was a dog’s body. That is the most suitable body for him and he may feel quite “happy” in a dog’s body.
There is on story of King Indra, the king of heaven who was cursed to become a pig on this earth planet. So after some time Narada Muni came down to the earth and informed Indra in the body of the pig that he had been forgiven and now he could return to his position as the King of Heaven. But Indra, in the pig’s body, did not want to go to heaven. He said, “I am very happy here. I have my wife and my family of piglets, and I like eating all this stool…”
So in whatever type of body we are put in the material world we get attached to it and we “like” it and don’t want to leave it.
But attachment for anything in the material world is foolish for it continues the cycle of birth and death. There is actually no happiness in the material world. Everything is suffering ultimately. IT is painful to be born, to be forced to get old, to get sick and to die. And that is what we do in the material world life after life…
You say that as a human being you try to be good and to be good to others but that it is frustrating to be around people who are bad influences. Somehow we need to associate with people who will be a good influence on us. Association is very powerful. So we can associate with Srila Prabhuapda by reading his books and by hearing his audio recordings. I suggest you try doing this on a regular daily basis and that will protect you from the bad influences.
You can get Srila Prabhupada’s original books and audio recordings at http://www.KrishnaStore.com
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
The Explanation is perfect one gets the body one thinks or in that state of consciousness at the time of birth. According to the verse in BhagavadGita
by Vishnu “Whatever one’s state of mind is at the time of Death will get the body without doubt”
The “Sage” Jada Bharathar got the body of a Deer because he was thinkoing about the Deer he was having with him at the time of Death is a proof of that fact.
Nehru lived the life like a Dog and so was in such a state of mind at the tme of his Death and according to the law of Karma he could not think otherwise.
This state of mind is created by God accordingly to his actions of the present birth.
No body can escape this material world. Some may claim by not commiting sins one can escape but good or bad sins both are sins and to enjoy (good sin) or suffer one has to take births.
Then how can one get “MOKSHA”?
I do not how many people know this truth but there is only one person who can give it and his name was and is Ramanujar.
Just like to attain spiritual consciousness one has to go to India and to attain Moksha one has to go to one part of India, and if anybody is interested can go that part to get it. You can email me also. I will tell the place.
I do not know how many people know that the word Divyadesam and I do not know how many people really know the meaning of Divyadesam.
There are 105 Divyadesams in India and one in Nepal.
I do not know how many people know that these Divyadesams were built after the hymns were sung in praise of the lord Vishnu.
I do not know how many people know these hymns were sung in what language
But I know.
I do not know how many people know that these Hymns were sung by Tamil Aazhvaars.
I do not know how many people know that all these Aazvaars were born in Tamilnadu.
I do not know how many people know that these Aazhvaars are the Greatest of personalities.
I do not know how many people know that Chennai has the unique distinction of being the only Metropolitan City having a Divyadesam Temple.
I do not know how many people know that in Chennai one Aazhvaar was born (no, no seen) and he was actually found in the well. That well is still preserved in Mylapore in Chennai.
I do not know how many people know that there are 4000 Divyapirabandhams written in Tamil otherwise called as Paasurams.
I do not know how many people know the importance of Paasurams and its effect.
I do not know how many people know that out of these 106 Divyadesams in planet Earth 84 are in Tamilnadu.
I do not know how many people know that ONLY 11 Divyadesams are in North India and one in Nepal. The important point here is these Divyadesam temples in North India and one in Nepal were ALSO built after the Hymns were sung in Tamil in praise of the lord by the Aazhvaars.
One more thing The Theory postulated by, should I say theory, or research was done by a man called, Alfred Wagener and he coined the term “Continental Drift” I recently heard a Guruji’s daily upadhesa in TV that India once was in south pole near where the present day Australia is about some 90 Million Years Ago. And it came to the present position some 35 Million Years Ago.
If anyone has any doubt about the above infos then one can approach Any Qualified Guru anywhere in India instead of arguing with me.
If anybody are in disagreement with me then prove me wrong with valid proof after discussion with the Guru of course.
I find it hard to believe that just because you think of a certain animal at the time of death that you will assume the body of that animal upon your next life. How can a sage who has been virtious throughout his whole life expect to reincarnate into a lower form of life despite his ascetic merit that he has earned? Just because you mentioned one line about the incident of the sage does not make it proof, what was this in context of? What i mean is what is the overall picture that lead the sage to commence life in the body of a deer (assuming it happened)? SO upon death would thinking about God make us God?
-Muski
The Explanation is perfect one gets the body one thinks or in that state of consciousness at the time of birth. According to the verse in BhagavadGita
by Vishnu “Whatever one’s state of mind is at the time of Death will get the body without doubt”
Nehru lived the life like a Dog and so was in such a state of mind at the tme of his Death and according to the law of Karma he could not think otherwise.
This state of mind is created by God accordingly to his actions of the present birth.
No body can escape this material world. Some may claim by not commiting sins one can escape but good or bad sins both are sins and to enjoy (good sin) or suffer one has to take births.
Then how can one get “MOKSHA”?
I do not how many people know this truth but there is only one person who can give it and his name was and is Ramanujar.
Just like to attain spiritual consciousness one has to go to India and to attain Moksha one has to go to one part of India, and if anybody is interested can go that part to get it. You can email me also. I will tell the place.
I do not know how many people know that the word Divyadesam and I do not know how many people really know the meaning of Divyadesam.
There are 105 Divyadesams in India and one in Nepal.
I do not know how many people know that these Divyadesams were built after the hymns were sung in praise of the lord Vishnu.
I do not know how many people know these hymns were sung in what language
But I know.
I do not know how many people know that these Hymns were sung by Tamil Aazhvaars.
I do not know how many people know that all these Aazvaars were born in Tamilnadu.
I do not know how many people know that these Aazhvaars are the Greatest of personalities.
I do not know how many people know that Chennai has the unique distinction of being the only Metropolitan City having a Divyadesam Temple.
I do not know how many people know that in Chennai one Aazhvaar was born (no, no seen) and he was actually found in the well. That well is still preserved in Mylapore in Chennai.
I do not know how many people know that there are 4000 Divyapirabandhams written in Tamil otherwise called as Paasurams.
I do not know how many people know the importance of Paasurams and its effect.
I do not know how many people know that out of these 106 Divyadesams in planet Earth 84 are in Tamilnadu.
I do not know how many people know that ONLY 11 are in North India and one in Nepal. The important point here is these Divyadesam temples in North India and one in Nepal were ALSO built after the Hymns were sung in Tamil by the Aazhvaars
If anybody in doubt consult and verify with a qualified Guru
Thanks,
THe story of sage Jada Bharathar was a big one.
What is not possible in the internet age.
You may want to type in Jada Bharatha(r) in Google Search Engine.
There Bang you get list of sites (14000 it says) Choose and read the best one. Its upto you.
How many births a soul in a dog in particular and animals in general has to take to get to Human body?
I heard animals unlike humans doesn’t have karma for its actions. That is if a dog bites a man it doesn’t generate a bad karma for it.
Is that true?
Hello Jaisimha
Karma is complex thing and one can not simply say in how many births a dog will get a human body. There are three animals that there next birth is human. That is Lion, Monkey and Cow. A lion is in the mode of passion, monkey is in the mode of ignorance and cow is in the mode of goodness. So the living entities evolve through their different animal bodies until they reach one of these three species and then their next birth will be human.
Of course if the dog gets to eat Krishna prasadam then human birth in the next life is possible.
A soul trapped in an animal’s body does not have the same degree of free will that a soul in a human’s body has. Animals work to fulfill the needs of eating, sleeping, mating and defending. So if the dog bites he is defending and because he is in a dog’s body nature is forcing him to act like that. He does not get bad karma for it. But it is all connected to the karma he has generated when he was in the human form of life.
But a human being has a choice. He has limited independence. And with that independence comes responsibility. If we use our independence correctly we simply serve Krishna and do not generate any karma, if we act piously we generate good karma and if we act sinfully we generate bad karma.
It is in the human form of life only that we generate the karma, and lots of it, which we have to work off in many animal bodies.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
hello…i like to read what yu write…i hail from assam…and i am a vaishnavite..vaishnavism was propagated in assam by sri sri sankardev. when yu say that moksha can be only attained at so and so places of the earth, you are oh so wrong…a person gets mukti from this material wotld when he is enlightened, irrespective of the place he is born in. to pray, you dont necessarily have to go to a great temple..you can do it at your own home, chanting Shri Krishna’s name, by surrendering ourselves completely to Lord Shri Krishna. Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita that any soul can attain enlightenment and gain mukti or moksha by chanting his name..by willing their minds constantly towards him…chanting his name all throughout the day with a pure mind is key…NOT THE PLACE YOU ARE IN…the power of chanting God’s name is illustrated by the Ajamila story.(kindly google for it) In Kali yug, chanting Hari’s name is akin to amrit. I am only 22 and i may not have the maturity of your years. But its a fact and God’s divine truth that to gain mukti, you dont have to go to any particular place of the earth. you can do it at home. i love Lord Krishna. Krishna Ram Krishna Ram Krishna Ram.
suparna,
You started off as hello without mentioning any name but I realize you answered my comment.
it is also said in bhagavad gita that in kali yuga it is not possible to attain Moksha by the methods prescribed which is possible for other yugas.
Karma yoga, jnana yoga and bakthi yoga.
Moksha through long meditation for years together not possible in kali yuga, neither is it possible to do bakthi, bakthi means it should be like an oil pouring without a break ie chanting mahamantram continously is not possible (except a few, is there one exists?)
The only way possible is “Saranagathi” and this is in bhagavad gita. I do not know what is said in ISKCON about this but its members seem to have no idea about it. I do not say anything about ISKCON but I do not know why its members are vague about “Saranagathi”
It is said by God in bhagavad Gita “Abandon all varieties of religion and surrender unto me.. ” ie “Saranagathi”. By Saranagathi it is not that falling at the feet of the Lord in the Temple.
It is actually shedding the “Ego” and realizing that it is not possible for me to do Bakthi (chanting as is believed) and surrendering at the feet of the Acharya as appointed by Ramanujacharya (Mind you Prabhupada mentions time and again the names of Ramanujacharya, Yamaunacharya…)
Ramanujacharya appointed 74 Simhahasanapadhis through which one can follow the instructions prescribed by him.
God Vishnu is residing in Temples (108 totally, 2 not in this world) called as Archa form. out of which 84 in tamilnadu 11 in kerala 2 in Andhra and the rest in north india.