Flat Earth

Published on November 19th, 2016 | by Madhudvisa dasa | Full size image


The Flat Earth?

Devotees often ask me what I think of the Flat Earth movement which has become very popular these days. And what the Vedas, particularly the Srimad-Bhagavatam, have to say about the shape of the earth.

Firstly I would like to point out that we are not very interested in the earth. We are interested in going back home, back to Godhead. We are interested in Krishna, serving Krishna, chanting Hare Krishna and helping the other residents of this planet to awaken their dormant Krishna consciousness by chanting Hare Krishna, dancing in ecstasy and feasting on sumptuous Krishna prasadam… And we can chant, dance and feast on any world, flat earth or globe earth, it doesn’t matter.

And secondly I would like to point out, in this mood, many of the great Acaryas have referred to this planet as a globe including Srila Prabhupada who has referred to the earth as a globe in many places throughout his writings. So it is not a very big thing to us, the shape of the earth. In many cases irrelevant things like this we can just accept the current view and it is OK for preaching. It makes no difference if it is a globe or flat. We want to get off it and go back home back to Godhead. In this regard flat earth or globe earth does not matter. We chant Hare Krishna.

But Srila Prabhupada has a great vision. As an integral part of his preaching mission he wants to build a giant Vedic Planetarium and the purpose of that is preaching. The purpose of that is to illustrate the factual structure and workings of the universe as they are revealed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Not that we are really very concerned about the structure of the universe. But the scientists have got everything wrong, and the two areas where they are most outrageously wrong are:

1. The origin of life [life comes from life, not chemicals]
2. The structure and workings of the Universe.

So Srila Prabhupada wants us to build a Vedic Planetarium which shows the actual workings and structure of the universe. This will be fascinating to every thoughtful person on the planet and everyone will understand what a great source of real scientific knowledge Srimad-Bhagavatam is. Of course ISKCON have turned the Vedic Planetarium into a joke so someone else will have to build the real thing. However it will be built and it will revolutionize everyone on the planet’s word view.

To build the Vedic Planetarium based on the description of the universe in Srimad-Bhagavatam we have to understand the Bhagavatam’s description. And therein lies the problem at present. I am not aware of anyone on the planet at this point in time who is able to understand the Bhagavatam’s description of the universe to the extent they can actually grasp how it works and where we are situated within it in sufficient detail. Which makes building a Vedic Planetarium at the moment impossible. You can not build something you don’t understand… The first step is to comprehend the model. And I humbly suggest I have not seen any evidence that anyone has yet comprehended the model of the universe in Srimad-Bhagavatam. If someone has please contact me and share it with me. I would be very, very interested to hear from you!

However everything is there in Srimad-Bhagavatam and it will be revealed by Krishna when He desires to someone who is sincere and serious and submissive and who is most importantly prepared to throw out all the garbage we have been brainwashed with from birth and start fresh with a blank slate.

There are many things we do know as facts from Srimad-Bhagavatam. As far as the earth Srimad-Bhagavatam does not describe it as a ball spinning in space.

In the Bhagavatam the earth is most certainly stationary. We can say that for an absolute fact. It is certainly not spinning or moving in any way. Because all the movements we see in the sky are explained in the Bhagavatam as movements of the wheel of time [sisumara chakra, which has all stars fixed on it in the constellations and that whole thing is rotating in the sky] and the sun, moon and planets move with the sisumara chakra but have their own independent movements also.

The wheel of time, a gigantic wheel consisting of all the stars, constellations, etc, all fixed in their respective places is connected to the wheel of the chariot of the sun god. It has an axle that rotates once every twenty-four hours. That causes the whole wheel of time to rotate 360 degrees in 24 hours. And this is the rotation that scientists mistakenly presume is the earth rotating. That is what makes the sun and moon and stars rise and set every day.

The axle of the sun god’s chariot is resting on the top of Manasottara mountain, which is a huge ring of mountains circling the whole Bhu-mandala island complex. In 360 days the axle of the sun god’s chariot moves all the way around the 360 degrees of the Manasottara mountains. This movement accounts for the different rising and setting positions of the sun, moon and stars, and also accounts for the seasons. So these two movements of the wheel of time, sisumara-chakra, prove that the earth is stationary and everything else is moving around the earth.

So that accounts for all the movements we see in the sky that the scientists presume are caused by the earth rotating.

As far as what the earth is, Srimad-Bhagavatam explains there is a plane called Bhu-mandala spreading out horizontally and it is concentric rings of land surrounded by oceans of various types. And Bhagavatam describes earth as Jambhudvipa [or part of the Jambhudvipa island] which is the central island surrounded by a salt water ocean. And that is what we experience the earth as. A land mass [that has been chopped up over time by various incidents described in the Bhagavatam [originally it was one land mass]] surrounded by a salt water ocean.

So there is no ball earth floating in space in the Bhagavatam.

So it appears the flat earth people are heading in the right direction but they are really not much better than the scientists. In scientific terms they are worse than the globe earth people because the globe earth people have a working model [which is wrong of course…] but they do have a practical working model which does predict most of what we observe happening around us. The globe earth model is a wonderful and ingenious model built by some of the most intelligent scientific brains. Unfortunatly it is wrong…

There are many faults with the globe earth model but it is a scientific model and it is the best model they have. Whereas the flat earth people have no scientific model at all. They can not present any scientific model. They all have different ideas when it comes to the details and when you try and test the partial models they put forward they are all faulty in so many ways.

But we can say for sure on the strength of the authority of Srimad-Bhagavatam the earth is not a globe spinning in space…

So the point is flat earth people and globe earth people are both useless because they are both trying to establish the truth based on their limited sense perception and their limited imagination.

Neither the scientists nor the flat earth people have access to any actual information as to how the universe is working. So it will never be possible for either group to ever understand using the faulty ascending process of knowledge. Both groups want to find the truth based on the power of their own intelligence, observations and research work. Both groups are ignorant that their observations, research and intelligence are all limited and faulty and this ascending process of knowledge will never lead to any actual knowledge.

Real knowledge descends from someone who knows. If we want real knowledge we have to find a person who possesses that knowledge in perfection. Such a person who possesses the knowledge can share it with us. This is the only way.

The Vedic literature, of which Srimad-Bhagavatam is the cream, the ripened fruit, is all written by Srila Vyasadeva. The spiritual master of Srila Vyasadeva is the transcendental spaceman Srila Narada Muni. Narada Muni travels throughout the entire universe and the spiritual world at his will playing on his musical instrument the Vina. Because Narada Muni is traveling everywhere he has full knowledge of the universe, the way it works and how it was created. He has heard all this information from his spiritual master Lord Brahma who is the engineer who built the universe, and he has seen the universe and its workings from all angles of vision.

So if we want to find out about the universe then we need to get the information from the engineer who created the universe, Lord Brahma, and we can get that through his disciple Narada Muni who has transferred it to his disciple Srila Vyasadeva who has most mercifully recorded this vital information in books approximately five thousand years ago.

The principle subject matter of the books of Srila Vyasadeva is not the structure of the universe. But there is an extensive discussion on this subject in the Fifth Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam. He also mentions things about the structure of the universe in other places in the Bhagavatam and throughout his other books including the eighteen Puranas, 108 Upanisadas, Mahabharata, etc.

This system of acquiring knowledge is called the descending process. It is the only way to obtain real knowledge. You have to find someone who knows the subject matter and learn it from him.

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40 Responses to The Flat Earth?

  1. jelly says:


    What does Srila Prabhupada, our primary source of bona fide sastric knowledge, say about the form of the earth:

    Just Like a Ball

    There is a control… Just like here, in this planet, when you go up, you see it is ball, but in this ball there are so many controlling deities here also. President Johnson, prime minister of India, this and that and so many things. But when you go up you see just like a ball. So when you come here you find… ” (Lectures, Bhagavad-gita 2.12, Bhagavad-gita 2.12, New York, March 9, 1966)

    • Yes. Of course when preaching to the people we use the analogies for things as they are understood.

      So in many cases we accept the common understand to explain things.

      But the earth is NOT described as a globe in the Srimad-Bhagavatam at all.

      Srila Prabhupada asked us to research this. He was looking for pundits in India who understood the Bhagavatam concept of the universe to explain it, etc. So the shape of the earth is currently not clearly understood by us. Yes, we can certainly preach using the current globe understanding. And yes, the globe model is a good scientific model in most respects. So there is no point in us preaching that the earth is flat unless we can actually prove it is at least a feasible theory by providing a working predictive model that scientists can appreciate. Which we can’t at the moment and the flat earth people are totally incapable of providing either.

      So at the moment the only viable scientific theory is the globe earth model. So we need to understand the Bhagavatam description of the universe sufficiently so we can properly explain it in a way that can be appreciated by the scientists before we come to an real conclusions about what the shape of the earth is.

      So it is unknown at the moment.

  2. Philip Brett says:

    I’ve come across a number of people putting forth that you are not a devotee if you do not accept that the earth is flat. I’ll spare you telling you what I think.

    • Hare Krishna Philip

      It is not relevant to being a devotee. The shape of the earth. Really we don’t care about the earth.

      We care about Krishna and the spiritual world.

      The flat earth people and the flat earth devotees are not able to provide any model that logically supports the idea that the earth is flat. So in this situation we can not expect the people in general to accept anything except the globe earth model because we have a functioning predictive model that explains almost everything we perceive using the theory that the earth is a globe.

      Now it does not mean that the earth is a globe. And from reading the Srimad-Bhagavatam it does not appear that the earth is a globe.

      So if we are actually devotees then we have to be open to the possibility that our theories about the universe and how things are may be totally wrong. And it does appear to me that the globe earth model is most likely totally wrong also.

      But we do not really understand clearly what the Bhagavatam is describing the earth as, we have no functioning model that we can explain to the scientists to communicate the model in the Bhagavatam, etc, etc.

      And Srila Prabhupada speaks of the earth as a globe in his books. So we can also speak of the earth as a globe. It is OK, why not?

      So just chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

  3. Romain says:

    You stated above: ” I am not aware of anyone on the planet at this point in time who is able to understand the Bhagavatam’s description of the universe to the extent they can actually grasp how it works and where we are situated within it in sufficient detail. ..”
    Considering that the Bhagavatam’s description is ie every respect so different from our “working model of the universe” and anything we know about the physical reality, cannot it be that it describes a different order of reality, e.g. one perceived by devas?

    • No. It is a description of how the universe works from someone who knows how the universe works. We have no idea how the universe works so our “working model” is completely wrong. We are like a frog in a well. The story is there is a frog who has lived at the bottom of a well that is only two feet across for his whole life. That well is his universe and all he has ever been able to experience is his well. He sees a circle up above his well which is sometimes blue sky, sometimes clouds, sometimes water falls down through that hole, and sometimes he hears the rumbling noises caused by the farmer’s tractor when he is cultivating his crops [of course he has no concept of farmer or crops, he just hears the rumbling noise sometimes…]

      So armed with this ‘knowledge’ our Dr. Frog has come up with a very grand conception of his universe. Including outrageously incorrect explanations as to why the hole at the top of his well is sometimes dark, sometimes blue, sometimes white and why water sometimes falls down from it and why he sometimes hears rumbling noises…

      But of course all his ‘scientific’ ideas a completely incorrect. He has just speculated some nonsense to make an explanation to fool himself into thinking that he understands what is going on around him.

      But Dr. Frog can not understand anything because he has no experience, he can not see anything, he can not conceive of things that are beyond the ability of his senses to perceive and his mind to imagine.

      So it is with our foolish scientists on this Earth planet. They have no information. They look up in the sky and see some lights moving around. But they have no ability to see anything really. 99% of the universe is completely hidden from them and the workings of the universe are completely not visible to them. So they are, like Dr. Frog, totally ignorant of what is going on around them and how it is working, but just to pretend to be big intelligent scientists, like Dr. Frog, they have speculated a grand nonsense plan of how the universe works, and they teach it to the ignorant masses of people who believe them…

      So that is our position at the moment. We have been brainwashed by so much nonsense from the scientists so as a result we are completely ignorant and completely mislead as to where we are in the universe and how things are working around us.

      The Bhagavatam describes our reality, our universe, but we can not grasp it because we have been so much bamboozled by the rascal scientists…

      We believe their nonsense and that totally destroys our ability to see things as they actually are.

      It is true that some of the descriptions in the Bhagavatam are given by demigods who have a different view, a different perspective of the universe. But from Earth we have no view, from earth we are like Dr. Frog. We can’t see or perceive anything about how the universe is working from here. So if we want to know actually how the universe is working then we need to hear from someone who actually knows how it is working. That description is in Srimad-Bhagavatam. It is a factual description of how our universe works. Not at all, ‘a different order of reality’. It is our reality.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

      • Romain says:

        Namaste Madhudvisa Prabhu,
        thank you for your reply. It is dismal fact that no one today is capable of reconstructing the scheme of the universe as outlined in Srimad Bhagavatam. If there is no one capable today, it seems futile to expect to get some more insight in the future, as the future is only the deepening Kali Yuga, Dr. Frog’s angle of vision is destined to become even narrower and this precious ancient knowledge is already lost for good. You said, ” if we want to know actually how the universe is working then we need to hear from someone who actually knows how it is working.” Are not the Sanskrit commentaries of Vaishnava acharyas from 15th to 19th centuries of some help in this seemingly hopeless situation?

        • It is there in the Bhagavatam and it can be conceived by a pure devotee of Krishna with the inspiration of Krishna from within his heart if Krishna wants to reveal it to him. So it is not a hopeless situation. Anyhow the structure of the universe is a secondary thing. We do not care about it all that much, except that it is a great opportunity to preach and defeat the scientists and convince so many people of the authority and value of Srimad-Bhagavatam. That is our interest really, not that we are really interested in the structure of the material universe. We don’t care. We will chant Hare Krishna anyhow, if the earth is a ball we will chant Hare Krishna, if the earth is flat we will chant Hare Krishna, makes no difference to us…

          But it is Srila Prabhupada’s vision to build a Vedic Planetarium to expose the ignorance of the scientists and to establish the correct actual description of the structure of the universe as it is revealed in Srimad-Bhagavatam to increase the glories and appreciation of Srimad-Bhagavatam among the thoughtful people of the world. That is the point.

          So Krishna can reveal anything to His pure devotees. So the point is we have to become pure devotees of Krishna. Otherwise we can’t expect to be able to understand anything in Srimad-Bhagavatam.

          So we have to at least accept the basic starting points: chant at least 16 rounds a day, strictly follow the four regulative principles [no illicit sex, no meat eating, no gambling and no intoxication] and read Srila Prabhupada’s books at least 1-2 hours a day.

          Krishna consciousness is a serious thing and if we want to become Krishna conscious actually we have to take it very seriously, dedicate our lives to the service of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna.

          Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

          Madhudvisa dasa

  4. Thomas Ray says:

    If anyone wants to learn about the flat earth, check out Eric Dubay on youtube! He is a great teacher of yoga and advocate of vegetarianism and veganism! Flat earth is what initially woke me up to the nature of our spiritual world and eventually to KRSNA! If it wasn’t for the flat earth truth I most certainly would not have learned of the love of my life KRSNA!
    Hare KRSNA!

    • Hare Krishna Thomas

      As are as Krishna consciousness we don’t care if the earth is flat or a ball. Whatever it is we are here and it is a horrible nasty place and we want to get off this earth and go back home back to Godhead and the only way to do that in this Kali-yuga is by chanting:

      Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
      Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

      Yes. Eric Dubay is very interesting in regard to flat earth. However he is not a scientifically minded person. He just blindly repeats the things he has read in the old books like Zetic Astrology, etc, etc. And a lot of the stuff he repeats is just completely wrong and he does not understand the globe model that is presented by Western science either.

      In reality, from the point of view of an actual scientific model that could be seriously considered, the globe earth model is the best we have by far at the present point in time. For a scientist to actually seriously consider something you have to present a model that really predicts what we observe happening around us. So for the large part the globe earth model is actually a good predictive model of what we see occurring in the sky above our heads for example. Of course there are many imperfections in the globe model but scientists accept this. But the point is globe model is the best model they have.

      Eric Dubay, on the other hand, does not have any flat earth model that explains anything we see happening in the sky at all convincingly. Actually what he says is complete nonsense and completely incorrect also. He only tries to explain the movements of the sun and the moon. He says the sun and the moon are the same size and are about 3000 miles above the earth. It is nonsense. Stupid. And completely incorrect.

      He says the planets are not real, just lights in the sky. Stupid. Nonsense.

      He says the moon is not a globe, he says the moon is flat too. Crazy. The moon is a globe.

      So what Eric Dubay presents is nonsense, so much nonsense. 90% nonsense. There may be 10% of what he says that may have some value. But what is the use if 90% of what he says is just crazy incorrect nonsense?

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  5. Thomas Ray says:

    The Earth is very flat. Srila Prabhupada spoke and wrote in the context of the 50s 60s and 70s in a turbulent time when everyone was talking about supposedly going to the moon. We definitely did not go to the moon in 1969 and that is a fact. Nevertheless his teachings and metaphors based on a globe earth still resound with truth as spreading the message of KRSNA was his chief aim and not the shape of the earth.
    Hare KRSNA!
    I love you all!
    : )

    • Hare Krishna Thomas

      Yes. Really we don’t care if the earth is flat or round. But it does seem quite likely it is not round, in fact scientists admit it is not round, more like pear shaped they think, because it is bigger in the southern hemisphere than it is in the northern hemisphere. Which can not be the case it if was a globe.

      So it is not a globe.

      And it is not moving… That is completely obvious to us. The globe earth theory has the earth moving in at least three different directions and very fast at the same time. Now if it was just moving in one direction with no acceleration then you could argue that we would not feel or be able to measure that movement. But they say it is rotating at 1000 miles per hour and rotating around the sun once every 12 months, covering whatever the circumference of a circle with a radius of 93,000,000 miles is, a lot of miles to travel in 12 months, so quite fast speed. Plus they have the sun and the whole solar system moving very fast. So with these three different movements it means we could measure that. We could feel that we are moving. And we would be able to see that we were moving because the alignment of the stars, etc, would change. As we would be moving throughout the universe so we would be seeing the stars from different points of view.

      So anyhow it is obvious we are not moving. Within 6 months we are supposed to be on the other side of the sun. So we are supposed to be 93,000,000 * 2 miles away, It is almost 200,000,000 miles. Now we can measure different star parallax, etc, just by moving a couple of thousand miles on earth… So if we did factually move 200 million miles in 6 months then that would be very very very obvious by looking into the sky. But when we look into the sky it seems that we are still in exactly the same position that we were 6 months ago…

      So obviously the earth is not moving. That we can say for certain…

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  6. sanatanadas says:

    I think it is very important that we understand that the Demons are trying to hide God. The word NASA means in Hebrew; to deceive.Devotees should know how to answer these questions based on the Srimad-Bhagavatam for our preaching work so that we can convince the non devotees who are being cheated.

  7. Chawla says:

    Hare Rama

    -> Modern Science talks about Precession of Earth’s Equinox with 1 cycle of about 26000 years. But no mention of any Time Period or Age with an Extent/timespan near to Kshana,Yugas, Mahayugas, Manvantaras,etc.

    -> They say that this precession causes the Different Stars to be North Pole Star. If the Pole Star is Dhruv (Fixed) as per the Boon given to Dhruv Maharaj by the Supreme Lord Millions or Billions of years ago, how can a Dhruv(Stable, Fixed) Star become a Revolving Star in just Few 1000 years; & how come different Dhruv Stars for different periods of same Manvantara ? This is conflicting with Shastras.

    -> As per my Views, the Planets, Stars & other Heavenly Bodies called by the name of any Divine Being or God/Demigod is actually the Loka(Abode) in which that Divine Being resides as the Head with other Ganas,members,etc. Like Saptarshis reside in or near their respective stars. Sage Agastya lives in Star Canopus or a Planet near it. Dhruv Maharaj with Divya(Divine) Humanlike Body lives in Pole Star. Grahas with Body-Anatomy as mentioned in Shastras live in the Planets associated with them and so on. The Residences are perfectly suited & according to the Nature and Personality of their respective Residents ; as the choice of aperson’s home reflects his/her personality & vice-versa.
    Thank You.

    Hare Krshna

    • Hare Krishna Chawla

      Modern scientists are fools. The do not know anything substantial. They just speculate and speak nonsense with big words and other fools are impressed by the nonsense and big words so they have become a little prominent. But they are fools, they know nothing.

      The polestar is in the center and everything is rotating around it. Polestar will remain in the center and everything will keep revolving around it.

      These scientists don’t know what happened 10 years ago. What to speak of 1000 or 10,000 or 100,000 years ago. They are fools. They know nothing…

      If you want to know something factual then you need to hear it from someone who has actual knowledge…

  8. Chawla says:

    Raadhe Raadhe !

    Whether the Earth Rotates &/or Revolves or not might be figured out by an Experiment.
    If one takes a solid sphere like a rock,etc & connecting it to a centre like Merry-go-round which can Revolve around a centre with 365 days/revolution speed plus make 1 rotation on its 23.5° Top-Bottom axis in 24 hrs.
    In which a human can be seated & laid down on it’s surface with a seat belt (Sphere to be sufficiently large so that person feels as if on plane surface while he/she lays down). Placing this apparatus in a Zero-Gravity Chamber with an optional Artificial Gravitational/magnetic or any other attractive force (Apparatus may be much more sophisticated but I don’t have deep knowledge of Physics & all that).
    The experience of the Person may at least give a vague picture of the phenomena.
    I personally think that the Earth doesn’t Rotate.
    Thank You.

    Hare Krshna !

  9. Mukunda das says:

    If the earth is not spinning You have to tell the Geostationary orbit satelite to stop run after the earth spin.

    • If the earth is not spinning then the Geostationary satellites are stationary… This is much easier for them, to stay in one spot rather than the very complex task of always remaining exactly over the same spot.

  10. KavitaBharati says:

    Hare Krishna.
    According to me, the earth is globe, perhaps it indicates that whoever on this earth wants to move forward on it physically, one day or other he will come back to the same place left at the beginning, that is, in other words, or in figurative sense, the birth and death cycle. but if the earth would be flat you would not return back, but more forward. God has created everything with His intelligence, it is a question of understanding this mundane world, there is a reason behind every creation.

    • Dvaipayana dasa says:

      Hare Krishna.
      No, you would also get back to the same place. Running around your neighborhood doesn’t prove it to be a sphere. The world can be flat, but with a circular dimension to it. For example a disk, in that way, you can go east or west and come back on the same spot without returning the same way. You can go in two directions without a problem. Cos you have to navigate using something, you can’t just say, that you go east or west, you have to relate to something..

  11. Gaurasundaa Dasa says:

    SB 3.23.43 : PURPORT :
    “All the planets are here described as gola, round.”

    London, July 30, 1973 : 730730BG.LON :
    Prabhupāda: Flat. Flat, yes. But in the Vedic śāstra, millions of years ago it is mentioned: bhū-gola. Gola means round. Just see. And these rascals say that formerly people were not so intelligent. They are intelligent because they are thinking that this world is flat. And those who have spoken millions of years ago, “It is round,” they will have less intelligence. Just see. Bhū, gola. Gola means round.

    • Yes. Round. It is round for sure. But round does not necessarily mean globe…

      You need to read the Bhagavatam Prabhu and try to understand the description of the universe as it is presented there and try to throw out all the nonsense we have been brainwashed from birth with.

      One thing we can know for certain is what we have been taught about the universe by modern science is wrong.

      But exactly what the earth is, exactly what the shape is. I can not tell you at this point in time because so far at least I am also unable to comprehend the Bhagavatam’s description sufficiently.

      But clearly in the Bhagavatam there are planets floating in the sky, but there is another structure also that is spread out as a concentric series of islands and oceans. This is a plane, not a globe. And from reading the Bhagavatam you will find on this plane there are many cities, many heavenly places, many demigods are living there, etc, etc. So we can not see this. And it would appear that the earth is on that plane, in the center island called Jambhudvipa. Which is round. But not a globe…

      So the point is we have to keep our minds open and reject the preconceived ideas of modern science. Just because the scientists tell us it is a globe we can not believe them unless they can prove it.

      And they have done a good job really and have put forward quite a reasonable predictive model which does, for the most part, predict what we see happening in the sky. So flat earth people have no model and no clear idea at all how anything could work on a flat earth. So as I have said they are more-or-less useless. It is just another sort of speculation like the scientists. But we have the real description. So if we can just put aside the brainwashing of modern science and believe what is written in Srimad-Bhagavatam is the truth, then we can solve this issue.

      We can say for sure that the scientists are wrong. And we can say for sure that the flat earth people have no clear idea, no predictive model, nothing except some blind faith that the earth is flat… And we can’t understand the description of the universe in the Bhagavatam at this point in time… But we may in the future… By Srila Prabhupada’s and Krishna’s grace. So until we understand it we really can’t say much about it…

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudivsa dasa

  12. ajay prakash says:

    Hare Krishna Prabhu ji
    Dandwat Pranam…

    Very Scientific article…. Please Send me Such Nice article in Future too…
    Thank You Prabhuji

  13. Linda Ward says:

    Hare Krsna Prabhu. I find this very interesting. While standing in my very small orchard,I have felt for some time now that the earth wasn’t moving at all and that things were actually moving around it instead. I had this realisation without any knowledge of what was written in the vedic scripture so reading your post has confirmed my feelings. We are so ignorant of so very many things and much of the education we have received at school etc., is perhaps a partial truth or completely false. We cant blame the teachers as they have had the same education as us! As you say, best to focus on leaving the planet forever through bhakti yoga, but at the same time we must remember that Krsna may choose to put us back on the earth as his servant in order to teach. I feel that even wanting to go back home could be a desire for many rather than desiring to just serve Krsna which means serving him anywhere. If he chooses to take us home forever so be it but ultimately we should desire to just love and serve Him. Jesus and many other great souls have been asked to make the sacrifice of leaving the spiritual world to try and raise the consciousness of fallen souls and we must be prepared to do this now and after we leave the world. All glories to the Supreme Lord.

  14. Chandra Prakash Bairagi says:

    Hare Krishna!

    Sir, ( As you teach me and I follow )
    I am independent theoretical researcher on time, dimension including structure of universe.
    Everything that is written in our vedic text is undoubtedly correct and that is my guide.
    Every findings in our material world is pinpoint part of what is already acknowledged in vedas.
    Like we know from thousands of years about Multiverse ( As Supreme God inhales and exhales , universes are formed and get destroyed respectively . In our world Scientists came to this idea in 1952 and they are not sure . but I agree that there is multiverse . There are so many examples of inventions and findings that are simply stated in Vedas.
    This is my job and I know what to prove but
    I need knowledge to prove it and let world to know what is all about spirituality to modern scientific way.
    I want to know about picturizing the structure of multiverse thought the center of our universe’s earth by all details portrayed in Vedas . A perfect structure of “Existence” that is “Vedically” perfect and scientifically bounded so no one can argue about it ( even a lay man).

    I need to know how to upgrade my knowledge through a simplest way that is possible.

    This would be so kind of you to answer me through some reference book except Mahabharata , Srimad-bhagvatam and Bhagwat Gita.

    Thank you and hare Krishna!

    • Hare Krishna Chandra

      There are many different models of the universe in India and around the world and they have various degrees of usefulness for certain purposes.

      For example in India there is Suraya-siddhanta which is an astronomical study but with the purpose of accurately predicting the positions of the planets and other heavenly bodies for the primary purpose of calculating astrological charts.

      So these systems of predictive astronomy are useful to the degree they are able to accurately predict what we see happening in the sky. But a predictive model is not necessary an accurate model of the system it is predicting.

      Really the only authoritative information we have on the actual situation of the universe is in the writings of Srila Vyasadeva. Outside of this you will find so much but it is all contradictory and while it may be useful for certain practical purposes, it is not an authoritative presentation of the actual workings of the universe.

      So you will only find what you are looking for in the books of Srila Vyasadeva, that means the Vedas, Puranas, Upanisads, etc. Which of course includes Bhagavad-gita, Mahabharata and Srimad-Bhagavatam. The knowledge is all there in these books of Srila Vyasadeva.

      But it is very difficult for us to comprehend it as we have been so thoroughly brainwashed since birth with the blue marble spinning in the sky that it is hard to consider anything else…

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  15. Raghunathan says:

    Hare Krishna, Prabhu.

    All glories to Srila Prabhupada and to you.

    It was an excellent email on Flat earth. After reading Srimad Bhagavadam,
    I am convinced that the earth is flat surrounding by various kinds of seas.
    There are wonderful living entities living on this earth beyond the salty sea water.
    There are milky sea, yoghurt sea, pure water sea, Liquor sea, Ghee sea and so on.

    I found some info about the various seas and the living entities live beyong this salty
    sea in Vishnu Puranam. It is really nice reading your message. No one can understand these things without being a devotee of Krishna.

    Hare Krishna,
    All gloties to Lord Sri Krishna and his devotees.

  16. Tejal says:

    Hare Krishna Prabhu.

    Please explain what exactly are the Sun planet n moon planet, when we call them as planets, are they lands on a mandala which are spread out?

    & What exactly happens during Eclipse? if earth is flat. then how are eclipses formed?

    Does Narsinghadev have any abode?

    Pls answer them.
    Hare Krishna.

    • Hare Krishna Tejal

      Devotees know all these things because they are clearly described in Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam.

      So please read Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam and you will know the things correctly also.

      Krishna Himself personally states in Bhagavad-gita naksatranam aham sasi: “Of the stars I am the Moon.” So Krishna is clearly telling us the stars and the moon are the same thing. The stars are not like the sun. It is clearly described in Srimad-Bhagavatam that there is only one sun in each universe and the light of that one sun is distributed all over the universe. These things: sun, moon and stars, are not lands on a mandala spread out. They are as they appear to be, heavenly bodies moving in the sky. And they are inhabited also. But they are not part of the bhu-mandala system that the earth is part of. They are above us.

      As far as the eclipse there are two kinds of eclipses. One is when something comes in front of the sun and blocks the light. We presume that is the moon, because it is the same place in the sky where the moon is. So it is very natural to conclude that the solar eclipse is caused by the moon coming in front of the sun. But actually this is not what is happening. Srimad-Bhagavatam informs us that Rahu, a dark planet that is generally invisible because it does not reflect light takes advantage of the shadow of the moon to remain hidden in the sky. So the Rahu planet travels in the sky in the ‘shadow’ of the moon. So when the astronomers see stars eclipsed in the sky they know it is being caused by the moon, so they are not surprised. But Rahu is very tricky. He takes advantage of this area in the sky where the moon is eclipsing the stars. So Rahu moves in this area therefore he can not be detected. The only time we can see Rahu is at the time of a solar eclipse, in that case comes between the sun and the earth and the moon actually is going behind the sun. The moon is very big and far away, the sun is smaller than the moon and closer and rahu is still smaller and is the closest planet to earth.

      The other type of eclipse is when a shadow comes on the moon. This is not like the solar eclipse which is a solid object coming between the earth and the sun, Lunar eclipse is different, it is just a round shadow on the moon. So that is the shadow of rahu, rahu comes between the sun and the moon and causes that shadow. This is possible because lunar eclipses happen on the full moon and at that time the sun is on the exact opposite side to the moon. And rahu passes between the sun and moon and causes the shadow on the moon. It comes in various degrees, sometimes quite noticeable and sometimes hardly noticeable. It depends on how exact the line up between the sun moon and rahu is, if it is a perfect lineup that is the maximum lunar eclipse.

      Yes. Of course Lord Nrsimhadeva has His own abode.

      This is the way things are. The scientists and astronomers have no idea actually. They only have a two dimensional view of the sky. The have no idea at all what is distance of the objects they see in the sky or what is their actual size. In reality it goes earth, rahu, sun, moon, but they have wrongly guessed moon then the sun and they are totally ignorant of the existence of the rahu planet…

      And they have made the sun very big and the moon quite small, when in reality the moon is very big and the sun is smaller…

      They have no idea of the size of things in the sky or the distance. The moon looks like it is the size of a dinner plate when we look at it in the sky. But we know it is actually bigger than that…

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

      • tejal says:

        Very interesting Prabhu, Thanks for the explanation.

        I want to know about the sunset and sunrise Prabhu, i.e if Earth is flat. then there should be Sunlight 24 hrs a day right. So how can earth be both flat and globe at the same time?

        Hare Krishna.

        • Hare Krishna Tejal

          You need to study Srimad-Bhagavatam to understand this.

          The real problem is we do not understand it enough to prove it is correct or to explain it properly and convincingly to the scientists at this point in time.

          But as far as I can see from reading Srimad-Bhagavatam, hopefully you have the basic idea, I don’t think you do actually, otherwise you would not ask such a question, so it is not possible to explain it here in a few paragraphs… Please read the Srimad-Bhagavatam. This point, about sunrise and sunset is clearly explained there. Read it.

          Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

          Madhudvisa dasa

  17. Achyutananda Das says:

    Jay Prabhupada.
    Very nice article. One of the best explanation of wheel of time I have come across. And you are right the Planetary system of Bhagwtama is not understood by anyone in the planet and what they are creating now would definitely be scene as a fanatasy land and nothing real.

  18. Anil says:

    Still I have been failed to understand that whenever the all teachings, every preaching, universal lectures, divine dialogues, and above all the incarnations delivered their guideline to accept, adopt, accord, follow, and do good, hold truth, act honest and be pure without corruption then why non are made of such materials ?
    Every Epics, Each Books, Spiritual Memento say do good to the humanity but the human follow brutality, corruption, dishonesty and such these ?

    • Hare Krishna Anil

      It is because this material world is like a prison. Only criminals are sent to prison. So when you go to a prison you generally find the people there are not so nice. So only criminals are sent to the material world. As in a prison there is only a very small percentage of the population within the walls of the prison, so in the material world also there is only a very small percentage of the total population. The majority of the living entities are very blissfully engaged in serving Krishna in the spiritual world. The ones who rebel against Krishna and want to become gods themselves are sent to this material world. That is us. We are criminals in a prison. So we can not expect people to be very nice here…

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  19. NarayanaCandra Dasa says:

    All that is written in the Srimad Bhagavatam is important. Viasadeva wrote it, Sukadeva Gosvami narrated it, Maharaj Pariksit and sadhus have listened to it. So the topic of the flat earth is as important as all the other topics discussed in the Srimad Bhagavatam. Especially for neophytes devotees like us is more important to understand the creation of the universe that the rasa dance of Krsna with the gopis. To understand Srimad Bhagavatam we have to meet or become ourselves a realized soul. It ‘s very interesting to remember that Srila Prabhupada considered important to the planetarium project in Mayapur. It ‘clear that it will be very useful for preaching. Let us then to do to understand how it really made the universe, including the earth. It’s important. Hare Krishna.
    (Sorry for my English. I translated it with Google.)

  20. Karan Gunti says:

    You are totally wrong in saying scientist discoveries are useless. They are true, totally logical and with proof. I am a Krsna Bhakt, but I can’t stand to see any stupid objection against a scientist and any scientific discoveries.
    It may even happen that theories about a stationary earth are just someone’s imagination and not a reality. There are no proofs supporting it.

    Reply please.

    • Hare Krishna Karan

      You can not get any real knowledge through science. That is because the scientific process depends on information perceived through the senses and the senses are imperfect and the information we perceive through them is incomplete. You have to decide if you are a Krishna bhakta or a science bhakta. You can not be both. Either we accept knowledge from Krishna or we accept nonsense from science. If you want knowledge you have to get it from Krishna. If you want nonsense, that is available in huge quantities from science. If you want to know the origin of life Krishna informs us that He is the origin of life. Science claims life comes from a random chance combination of chemicals caused by nobody and with no purpose… Total nonsense.

      So you have to decide if you want knowledge or nonsense. You can get knowledge from Krishna, nonsense is available from the scientists.

      • Achyutananda Das says:

        Very nice point you brought about. At some point you have to switch to the Vedic view point of the world after your convinced with the Vedic wisdom and philosphy.

      • Vinod says:

        Totally agree. To claim that a random incident created life, then it’s like saying that a huge library with thousands of books was the result of an explosion at the offset printers work shop.

About the Author

My first contact with a Hare Krishna was a most merciful Mataji in Oxford Street, London who sold me a "Higher Taste" cook book in 1984 while I was on holidays there. I started seriously reading Srila Prabhupada's books in Australia 1985 and by 1986 Srila Prabhupada had convinced me "Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead" and "we should surrender to Krishna." I joined the Hare Krishnas in Perth, Western Australia in 1986. Since then I have been chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, reading and distributing Srila Prabhupada's books and preaching as much as I can. That's my life and full-time occupation now really. I like it more than anything I've ever experienced before. Srila Prabhupada's books are so amazing... Even after reading them all many times they're still fresh and new. They are truly transcendental! That's it really. Now I'm just hankering to once again see the world chant Hare Krishna, dance and feast and float away in the ecstasy of Lord Caitanya's Sankirtana movement as it did in Srila Prabhupada's physical presence. Let the whole world drown in the ecstatic flood of love of Krishna!

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