Published on July 19th, 2023 | by Madhudvisa dasa99
Guru: Everyone is lying to you…
The “Guru Issue”. Everyone wants to be a guru. It is such a nice thing to have all those disciples worshiping you and giving you all their money… Even the greatest ritvik leader shouting out “Prabhupada is the guru”, Krishna Kant, also wants to be a guru. He has his philosophy, “The Final Order”, and wants everyone else to follow his philosophy. But, as you may know, I have defeated Krishna Kant’s philosophy way back in 1996 when he first published his paper.
“Krishna Kant has attempted to prove that Srila Prabhupada did not intend any of his disciples to become diksa [initiating] gurus, ever. This is his unique addition to the ritvik philosophy. He has attempted to prove this point by selectively quoting from Srila Prabhupada and using much word jugglery. This rather bizarre philosophy is unique to Krishna Kant and his few followers. It is not shared by the general body of the followers of Srila Prabhupada.
It is true, as Bhakti Vikasa Swami points out, that the main players in the ritvik field today are following the Krishna Kant “Final Order” philosophy and this philosophy has been defeated by Rocana Prabhu and also by myself many years ago.
The “Prabhupada will be the only guru for the next 10,000 years” lie is Krishna Kant’s addition and this is also presented by Yasoda-Nandana Prabhu and ISKCON Bangalore. So they are perpetuating Krishna Kant’s lie: “Prabhupada did not want his disciples to become diksa gurus EVER!!!”
If any sincere person takes the time to read Srila Prabhupada’s books and letters he will find in reality Srila Prabhupada’s desire is that all of his disciples become QUALIFIED diksa gurus and accept disciples. Of course the qualification is simple but rare. So obviously the disciples first have to become qualified, then and only then can they become bona fide gurus… So it is not that every disciple can become guru… They first have to become qualified…
It is not only the ritviks who lie about the guru issue. ISKCON is lying also… They say “Prabhupada wants all his disciples to become gurus…” Carefully omitting the “QUALIFIED”…
And what is that “qualification” for a bona-fide guru? It is very simple, only three words “srotriyam brahma nistham“. That’s all. A bona fide guru has heard from his qualified spiritual master and he is fixed in brahman (which means transcendental, liberated, no longer affected by maya). Having heard from his bona-fide guru means that he only repeats and explains what he has heard from his bona fide guru, nothing else. No speculation, nothing from any other source, and at the same time he has to be fixed on the transcendental platform.
Now all the ISKCON guru-tattva is simply for the purpose of presenting the lie that the guru does not have to be brahma-nistham, does not have to be a pure devotee, does not have to be liberated… This ‘non-liberated guru’ philosophy was introduced into ISKCON after it became painfully obvious that the 11 so-called zonal acharyas were not liberated.
So, because the ISKCON gurus are not liberated, not brahma-nistham, the whole ISKCON “guru tattva” is about “proving” that the guru does not have to be a pure devotee. But this is a lie. The guru has to be a pure devotee…
ISKCON today is so attached to the lie that the guru does not have to be a pure devotee that if you would dare repeat any of the quotes from Srila Prabhupada in the above article you would no longer be welcome there.
So on both sides of the guru debate we find people who are lying to support their own personal sense gratification or philosophy. The ISKCON gurus lie because they know they are not pure devotees and they also know they can not fool others any more than they are pure devotees so they have to claim that it is not necessary to be brahma-nistham to be a guru.
Although they do not say it, they do not want to be srotriyam either, they do not want to be limited to simply repeating and explaining the things Srila Prabhupada presents in his books. The desire to add something new, to speculate, is very strong. And ISKCON is full of speculation and full of new ideas and things devotees have heard from sources other than Srila Prabhupada so the ISKCON ‘guru tattva‘ also avoids the srotriyam aspect of the qualifications of a guru.
So the result? The GBC simply says “All devotees should be gurus and have some disciples.” Never any mention of any qualifications for the gurus at all…
And why do the ritviks lie and say “Prabhupada did not want any of his disciples to become diksa gurus, EVER!!!” There are two reasons, one is many have been cheated by bogus ISKCON gurus and see bogus ISKCON gurus cheating more innocent devotees and this is very painful for everyone and they want to expose the bogus gurus, so lying and saying “Prabhupada did not want any of his disciples to become gurus” becomes an attractive philosophy to them. The other, more insidious motivation, is the Indian brahmanas are very upset at Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON for making westerners Vaisnavas and worse still making westerners sannyasis and gurus. They want to stop this and some of them have taken to supporting the ritvik philosophy as a way to eliminate western gurus, “Prabhupada did not want any of his disciples to become diksa gurus ever.” is an idea that some Indian caste brahmana’s like very much…
So ISKCON is lying and and the ritviks are lying. Of course there is considerable truth mixed into what both sides say. But when you mix up lies with truth the whole thing becomes useless. If you really want to know what a bona fide guru is please READ SRILA PRABHUPADA’s BOOKS!
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
[Note: Rocana Prabhu refuses to publish this on his website so I am publishing it here]