Gurukul Child Abuse Back to Godhead - Volume 10, Number 11 - 1975

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ISKCON Destroys a Whole Generation of Devotee’s Lives…

I have so much pain in my heart…. So much pain and tears… If you could just see what you have done to me..to us…. All in the name of worshiping Krsna…. Well now Krishna can kiss my suicidal ass! Cause that’s all I think about is just ENDING my miserable life…. Everyday I have to find a reason why I should stay. I have nothing but you and all your

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Readers should be informed that this young lady has already apologized for her strong language against Sri Krsna and Srila Prabhupada (read comments: “Iskcon files for bankruptcy” 11/2/02). [also at the end of this article] She is a victim of ISKCON’s pedophilia protection racket, and should be given our full support.

Had ISKCON made as much noise about the monsters who raped children as they do about plans to protect assets, their concerns would have been self evident.

As it is (even though management has admitted awareness of the crimes), there has never been a single case where ISKCON has prosecuted a predator. Not in the past, nor at this present time. To the contrary, they have given protection, even given office to known offenders.

ISKCON will find very little sympathy (if any) in the public eye. This is the single most concentrated case of child-abuse in the history of man. To believe that material assets will be spotlighted, is just another ISKCON illusion. ISKCON’s accumulation through expansion program may get some air, and its techniques of psychological slavery may be exposed. Other than that, the rape and abuse of its own children will take center stage. (SGd)

 


The pain you teachers and GBC put me threw……the isolation’s, segregating me from my parents and family……all the times i was molested and then finally raped YOU the devotees and your PHILOSOPHY said it was my fault my karma….at the age of 8 or nine my gurukula teacher told me to thank krsna that this man violated me now and not later, that i was paying for my karma, i must have done the same in my past life to a child and now i must accept what happened as krishnas mercy, tell that to my badly swollen 9 year old hairless vagina! another time at 10 it was my fault cause to many bramacharies had crushes and any Prabhupada said woman are the fire and men are the butter…..believe me there were many molestations and tons of excuses and no ONE PROTECTED ME! NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!

how many of our molesters got found out and just moved around to another temple by the GBC to avoid prosecution….HOW many GBC’s are molesters them selves!

my nightmares and daymares is all I have now…..you people completely PHUCKED ME! i worshiped the ground my teachers and elders WALKED on and all I got was hit called a prostitute all the time, for like not covering my head or looking at the bramacharis as they danced all around the temple like horny bulls!…..I cant believe the things you people made me do……drinking foot juice from Bhavananda another molester! or when I spilled my food I had to eat it off the floor and my juice or milk to….cause its prasadam, you people treated me like shit and cant even do right by me.

You’v done some evil and just plain Terrorizing things to me and to my godbrothers and sisters. I watched, I witnessed all the abuses……no exaggeration here Anutuma. You are the spokesperson for a bunch of child molesters and control FREAKS.

i have so much pain in my heart….so much pain and tears..

if you could just see what you have done to me..to us….all in the name of worshiping krsna….well now Krishna can kiss my suicidal ass! cause thats all i think about is just ENDING my miserable life…. everyday i have to find a reason why i should stay. i have nothing but you and all your tortures to keep me crazy….

i sit here remembering all that anutama has said, all that ISCKON has done to me. i just want to die.

why did you do this to me.

why?

gurukula vetern.


Thank you for your words… believe it or not i don’t mean at all to be offensive to KRSNA or SRILA PRABHUPADA, but all that I was taught through my abuses was out of this Devotion for Them.

When they punished us or locked me in the dirty kitchen/closets it was Prabhupada’s tape they played behind the door all day till they saw fit to let me out…. Sometimes the girls would slip chapatis under the door for me….

When I tell you that I can not even hear/see or smell anything devotional because I become physically ill, like nausea, cold sweats and crying lots of crying….

Sri Krsna AND Srila Prabhupada has been CRAMMED down my throat and now what ever beauty you all seem to see, i just cant see it…. To much pain….

Whether I was misinformed about the true essence of Vaisnava life or not, I am ruined for life by it….. I am A Survivor no doubt……. and there are many of us out there.

So though I mean not offend you there is the other side that is just so angry. At the misuse of your gods name and of his supposed pure devotees….and the need to sound respectful towards them now….is so hard for me…..confusing…..impossible….

I am a product of all the glorious bull….. If there is a Krsna out there then He knows who I am….. where my heart is and where I came out of…… and I think He is much more merciful then we all think and He would understand my anger even if misguided threw teachings and abuse……

I don’t know anymore who is up there but I know His love was not supposed to be like this…. From my Sad heart to yours I mean no offense…. I just need so badly to be HEARD for things to change and for JUSTICE…..

Thank you for everyones concern, it’s almost surprising…. because I just have read so many negative things writen about us and it comforting to know NOT everyone is blind, that there is compassion among some of the devotees…. Unlike how i was raised. i am just in so much pain and doing all I can to make sense of everything.

Of course there is no sense in it, it was a crazy mans life.

I just want Justice…… now in this lifetime.

Gurukul Vetren

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32 Responses to ISKCON Destroys a Whole Generation of Devotee’s Lives…

  1. Vinod says:

    There is demonic perversion and wrongdoing in every religious/spiritual setting. It doesn’t make Krishna’s message less important or true.

    Remember pedophiles and psychopaths are always gravitating toward groups with easy access to children and women. It happens even in Child protective services where children are being abused by the very people who are hired to help them.

  2. Christophe says:

    this comment I am writing right now, is not aiming at offending anyone, nor the deep work of Prabhupāda. But there is now a long time that I wanted to express my view on his work, as obviously, I do not agree all the time about his purports, that we can find in say the Gita:

    Everything is just one direction with him. It seems that one would reach self realization by renouncing material life, and live like a monk, who will have of course to be careful to don’t enjoy anything coming from this world. This is a bit sad in my opinion. I am a firm believer of a balance in everything. Many other people I know, bless everything they reach, get, and live a life without renouncing success, because they do not sink into excess and compulsion. They are everyday confronted to the world but “flirt” with it, not getting destroyed by it.
    Also, how can sex enjoyment is that dirty? It is not. A couple loving each other, and who share such powerful intimacy is not a deprived life, life as it is really, under the “eye” of the divine. No need to act like a Christian fanatic, who see the evil in everything, only because this person has no self control.

    Everything has turned into a “if you don’t renounce this life and enter a temple, well, you won’t get it”. This is wrong. This is a wonderful thing for those who have chosem this path, and I respect it, but to discourage the rest of the world by proselytizing is wrong.

    • Hare Krishna Christophe

      I am not sure who you have been talking to about Krishna consciousness but you seem to have got the wrong impression. There is no need to move into a temple to become Krishna conscious and sex life within marriage for having Krishna conscious children is certainly permitted. There is nothing sad about Krishna consciousness. In fact quite the opposite. Everyone is sad in the material world but when you take to Krishna consciousness you enter an ever-increasing ocean of transcendental bliss. That is the opposite to sad. Devotees are always happy and their happiness is always increasing.

      However to advance in spiritual life we need to renounce material sense gratification. These two things are opposites and can not exist simultaneously. So we can not be enjoying sense gratification and making spiritual advancement at the the same time. It is not possible.

      So there are regulative principles: no illicit sex, no meat eating, no gambling and no intoxication. You may think it is difficult to give up these things, but for a devotee it is not difficult. A devotee practicing Krishna consciousness is enjoying a higher pleasure, a higher taste. So if you are enjoying a very great pleasure then you can easily give up things that the materialists accept as pleasurable.

      Actually these things are not pleasurable. Sex is not pleasurable, eating dead animals is not pleasurable, getting drunk and getting stoned is not pleasurable, and gambling is not pleasurable. Because devotees are enjoying a higher spiritual pleasure they have no interest in these lower things. They do not see them as pleasurable and do not feel they are missing anything because they do not engage in them.

      It is something you need to experience yourself to understand. So please read Srila Prabhupada’s books and chant Hare Krishna and try to experience this every increasing ocean of transcendental bliss that is Krishna Consciousness yourself.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

      • Peace says:

        Hello, hare krishna. I am part of iskcon and firstly would like to thank all those who shared views. I would like to express my hearthfelt symphaty and beg to read on my views, in summary, being in iskcon.
        ISKCON really seems to be badly hit by philantrophic interests… the many seminars, meetings, councilling, systems all reflect how leadership had fallen. The generation is stressed in so many cases. There is no devotee care… providing basic life support where devotees can live close to the temple and to each other. Temple presidentssp are scared to deal with resident devotees.
        LWithout this family spirit, many devotees will continue to suffer. Devotees are killed by banditsrapes and no responsibity taken. Please organize kc communities. Behave like leaders aand not sheep. Dont depend on mundane protection. Devotees though are special because they are trying, but sad to say their efforts are barely maintaining their own spirituality. How many new comers stay for 6 months. Movement is not just to creep or crawl, but to be dynamic. I must express my thank you for all that you have done, but please inspire devotees to life resident at the temple. Thats where they are safe and great things can maanifest. These big temples are secondary… use the resources wisely and focus on devotees life….

  3. Nilanjan Chowdhury says:

    Iskon have become the place of buissness, where in the name of GOD they all are making money.
    its my believe. i donot want to force this concept to anyone. please see “OMG” I fell everyone can understand what is “ISKON’ actually is.

    • Nishikanta says:

      Yes.ISKCON is deviating from the principles of Krishna Consciousness.But this OMG is the worst thing to watch.This OMG gives so many misconceptions and makes a joke of everything related to God and is insulting to Krishna and His devotees.To know the philosophy you don’t need to watch OMG.Just read the books of Srila Prabhupada and chant Hare Krishna.

  4. Himavati says:

    Hi. I also want to share my story with you all to prove the dirtiness of ISKCON members and specially A so called devotee Adidev Das from Honolulu temple, Hawai who is from Mumbai (Juhu temple).

    I have spent 16 years of my beautiful life in so called ISKCON. And today I have decided that I am out of it. Indians are right in not liking ISKCON. Prabhupada wanted to bring money to India by preaching it abroad. But it did not only bring money, but dirtiness too. Western and Russian girls are living like prostitutes in Holy Vrindavan. They provide very easy and free sex to indians and so on. So morality is going down day by day. Indian men think that for all women having sex is just a fun and they can use anyone. So I think normal parents should keep their children away from this society.
    In my own experience..I visited Vrindavan many times. And as all devotee women I wanted to have a Krishna Conscious family. When I met a marathi devotee living in Hawaii (Adidev Das). I thought I found an ideal devotee to create a family. When he wanted to kiss me i refused and told him about values in my country and asked him never touch me unless he is sure about the serious relationships. And he promised me. He held Jamuna river and full moon as a witness to his love and promises.He was teaching me BG and i was worshipping him as God. Then he told me to visit India for Gaura Purnima and go to Mayapur with him. And he told he wanted to know me more. When I went there he introduced me to his brothers family and then took to his parents who live in a village in Ratnagiri. All seemed to good enough. So fully trusting him I allowed him to haave sex with me. It was first time for me. I thought we will be together forever and such a man can not cheat me. But after I came back to my country he started avoiding me. Then my one friend from Delhi seeing our tgether photos told me that he is just a jerk and cheated many girls. He gave me his exs names. I found them and asked. He always chose the best virgin girls, use them and then throw. When I asked him about this he got angry, shouted at me GO TO HELL, KILL YOURSELF! I DONT CARE.
    It was a real shock for me. When I asked him, then why did you touch me? I was a virgin. He told it is my life and I can do with my life what I want. It was end of the world for me. I wanted to kill myslef. But could not because of my family.
    This man lived sex life with a Ukrainian girl called Shyamala Gopa Kishori for 8 years. When he wanted he left her and went to others. and when he wanted he came back to her. She was always ready to serve his lust. So this types of bitches teach men such a moral. And then I opened his real face to his all community. Guess what he did? He, just to show that he is a saintly man, went back to that bitch again. And they got married 1 month ago. I know Adidev Das will never change. He married just to prove that he is true person. But he forgets something. The tears of the girls whose lives he spoilt will surely make his life hell!
    I complained about this to GBC and many gurus. Noone cared. All said that it was my fault. It means men are like dogs in ISKCON and can fuck anyone under any bush and still remain pure.
    So I am telling FUCK OFF to ISKCON and all his devotees from today onwards! This is all lie. This society is for money and sex only. So please take your dear ones away from ISKCON. If you need help I can talk to anyone and explain all I have seen.
    Thanks

    • Astha says:

      Hare Krishna !!

      I am just shocked at it… The so called “ISCKON Devotees” could be such demons…

      Now its like my faith in ISCKON is trembling… From last 6 months I have been reading Prabhupada books and really found great solace and an eternal connection with Lord Krishna. I was planning to spend the rest of my life as an ISCKON devotee, in Vrindavan. I am 29 years old.

      I am really moved by what has happened to you…

      Is it like ISCKON just started and ended with Srila Prabhupada in real terms.

      After being getting so much detached to material world , what should I do now?

      • Hare Krishna Prabhu

        Better to stay far away from ISKCON. They have disconnected themselves from Srila Prabhupada and therefore disconnected themselves from Krishna. So they have no power to help you in your quest for spiritual advancement. Srila Prabhupada is living in his books. Read Srila Prabhupada’s books and take advantage of his pure association in this way. This is the secret of success. Avoid ISKCON and take shelter of Srila Prabhupada.

        Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

        Madhudvisa dasa

        • sri hari ramanuja dasan says:

          You are true but vaisnavam never fails . l can understand because I am an Indian. When my Indians entered iskcon everything started especially advaithas(smarthas) (mayavathis)and always they always they are against vaishnavam.

          • Yes. Many Indians have unfortunately created havoc in ISKCON. The problem is most Indians are not Vaisnavas but many of them like the idea of exploiting an international spiritual movement like ISKCON. So many time they join ISKCON for selfish material purposes. Also many times they are actually mayavadis and do not agree with the Vaisnava philosophy at all and they create havoc preaching their bogus philosophies in the guise of ISKCON devotees.

      • Ddkeot says:

        Astha ji namaskar.I am63 years old pensioner.l went to vrindavan on 25march,16.the widowers from west Bengal and Ukrainians are ina very much distress. The plight of shyamala,Ukrainian girl is heart rendering.if somebody help me ,I will sesend ukrain to her parents.awaiting reply.thanks.

  5. shweta says:

    Dear Krishna lover…always remember devotion & love can never be taught. It is a feeling for someone and if it towards Lord Then it will definitely come in your heart irrespective of if one follow any community like ISKCON or others or you don’t follow any one. I also love Krishna but doesn’t believe in following ISKCON or its teachings which differ from teachings of gita and Purana. I sympathize with you. Don’t stop loving god just pray him that crimes of such nonsense communities who talk of complete surrender to Lord Krishna and then ask to follow teaching of a particular human as if he is vedvyasa himself, such criminals get exposed and punish before they befool the society with their non-logical and discriminating teachings. Like presenting non-devotees, Lord shiva, etc in bad form inspite of knowing that call are forms of Krishna… What all happened to you is extremely bad and they have spoiled their karma by disrespecting a devotee…god will show them their true place one day. You please move ahead in life, be strong and don’t cling to bad part of your life. Love my lovely Lord Krishna but don’t run after societies…

  6. dr A k Singh says:

    Dear sister
    I am devotee of Krishna and am from India, the birth place of Krishna. I am very sad for all these things. Parents of bhagwan Krishna were prisoners and sisters and brothers of Krishna were killed when they were just born.crime was present in past and always persist until nature persists. Main thing is what we learn from life because that will decide your path of life. In bhagwat Gita Krishna killed thousands of demons and bad people and encourage Arjuna to fight against evil people and assure him that he (Arjuna) wii win .greatest lesson of Krishna is to fight against evil people because it will make society peace full. Only by chanting his name and not following his teachings will be meaningless and its proof is in Mahabharat according which Soodama great devotee of Krishna, who was poor and always chants name of Krishna, only gets physical gain like money, palace e.t.c on the other hand Arjuna who was great warrior,honest, morally sound and a protector by nature got all the things from Krishna, also those things that were not even revealed by Krishna to anyone in past, while Arjuna was a friend of Krishna not a devotee. Stop crying fight against crime you will helped by Krishna. Life is full of struggles faith in Krishna does not mean to forget your duty . Following your duties without thinking its result is karma yoga , greatest teaching of Krishna…..

  7. Soumya Prakash Ganguly says:

    I love Krishna very much. Every time I chant his name.

  8. Harinamdas says:

    Haribol,
    Dear Mataji, AGTSP Yes its true that whatever we recieve in our lives good or bad are directly or indirectly are the fruits of our karma/action done or attempted in any moment of our present or past lives. Those are the actiones which decides our future lives too. BUT

    This doesnt give a license to anyone specially those people who use this Universal Truth as a sheild to cover up their lustful mentality, their sinful activities and their demonic behavior and unfortunately we have such demons still in the form of ISKCON devotees. They actually arent devotees but just wolves in sheep skin.

    Whatever they did to you and many of other kids of your age couldnt be justified in any way by the words what Krishna Spoke and Srila Prabhupada put forth in front of us. They just made a mockery of the scriptures and this isnt new to the society, this used to be a practice in olden days when such so called Gurujis and Brahmacharis were treated as godsent and since ages Prominent people in ISKCON have been indulged in protecting these culprits of Krishna.

    Dear Mataji, whoever did this to you was a demon, he had nothing to do with Krishna Consciosness seriously. People like them have their lust covered behind their saffron robes BUT i am 100% sure that they will be dealt with the same reaction of their Karmas. Krishna has everything planned for everybody, he is smartest of the smartest. Just to teach a lesson to Hiranyakshap he took a form of Lord Narsimha to whom even these demons feared. These demons will get what fate has decided for them, and KRISHNA is the one who decides. Trust him. He will never let you down. The way he never let me too.

    Now i want you to move ahead in your life, dont waste your precious life thinking about these demons. Let Krishna handle them. Make the best out of the life given to you by Krishna. Krishna Consciousness means doing things for Krishna and keeping Krishna in mind whatever you do. All the rest are just formalities,

    Krishna is Merciful.

    HARIBOL

  9. Varna das says:

    Dear Gurukul Vetern:
    I really said dear,because I try to send you love within my message.
    I deeply find very sorry what happened to you inside that prison-school.
    I find those shit-people to vomit.I am sorry,but I am angry,too.They must pay for what they did to so many humans,like you and like me.I am sorry,again and again.I apologize for your sufering just to try help you to feel a little better,my dear friend and wonderful devotee.Please,accept
    my sincere intentions to hug you in your desparated mind.Please,accept that perhaps there are many real devotees
    who want justice for waht they did to you,my friend,my brave and
    sensitive devotee.I am sure there is an exit to your situation…an exit to the dark tunnel where you find yourself now.You need help and love…affection from the devotees.I am ready to hear you,to read your messages,like a father,like a good friend…please,accept my openess to a nice friendship.Please,trust me.Only Krishna knows that I just want to give you some love and understanding as a human being.Your heart is still alive,my friend,please fight against bad thoughts of selfdestruction.Please,you are important for many people who need you,even if you don´t feel so.You are important for devotees like me.You are a hero for me,because you are so strong to suffer all of that and dare to share this with us,devotees of Krishna and enemies of
    the new isckon,falsificated after Srila Prabhupada was put away of the original Sankirtan Movement.They are killers,pimps,demons,very bad
    beasts.,and so on…Please,write a message to me,because I am worried about you,dear.I would like to read that you feel a little better and that you don´t feel alone anymore,That some devotees are with you.supporting your suffering and helping you to feel better in your own life…
    Bye,dear princess…God protect you…God bless you…Krishna loves you…many greetings from me and from the community of real devotees…bye,until the next message…please,answer this message from this servant of you…hugs and hugs of calm and human love…

  10. SDC says:

    I am appaled at the horrific treatment that was metted out to you.. Please accept My prayers and deepest condolences.. Do know that not everyone in ISKCON is a predator.. Just like a few bad apples ruin the entire basket,these predators bring a bad name to our beautiful religion,
    There have been pedophiles in the Church too, but that doesnt mean that Christanity is a bad religion or that Lord Jesus Christ is responsible for all this filth..
    You should expose those monsters who disguise themselves as ‘devotees’ and make their names and details public so they can feel the force of justice and pay duly for their inhumane crimes.

    Look my dear sister, stay strong and God will give you the strength to get through this.remember that these Filthy Beasts are only using religion to furthur their vested interests,THEY ARE NOT TRUE DEVOTEES OR GURUS.
    Lord Krishna has never said in the Gita or the Bhagawat that such heinous acts are justifiable… So please do not blame God or ISKCON. We all aren’t like this.
    That being said, you should seek counselling and therapy; it does help. There are lots of beautiful and heart-warming stories in the Bhagwat that Will soothe your soul and help you find the inner peace and courage to fight on!! Hari Bol!

  11. vanshika says:

    Hare Krishna mataji
    If prabhupada would be physically alive, this wouldn’t have happened. Truly, I am very sorry for what you have seen, ISKCON is not trustworthy. But Krishna is watching everyone from inside and out, they’ll be punished, Krishna will do the justice.

  12. umang says:

    The only thing I ould love to share with all u is that Krishna is not a copyright of iskcon people or any of its gurus or prabhus!!!!!1Krishna is all with us evertime even after millions of mistakes he is alwys there to help us …….gita teaches only the message of fearlessnes and self-capablity all based solely on krishna!!!!!!!!1Please don’t take yrself away from krishna b’se of some fool;krishna alwyas shows way to even the most fallen soul.

  13. aman says:

    krishna is not limited to ISKCON please don’t lost fath in god in any form ..

  14. Ananya Misra says:

    dear god sister i am very much in pain hearing your pain i wish i could kiss and hug that little girl inside that girl who is crying day and night ,that girl who has lost faith in lord krishna so i wrote a LETTER TO LORD NARASHIMA DEB OF MAYAPUR DHAM ABOUT ALL THOSE ABUSE THAT THOUSANDS OF U SUFFERD ,I HAV ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN THE REASONS

  15. RajKun says:

    ISKCON followers are nothing but a group of brainwashwers

    I have had many run-ins with them in the past and all of them left me feeling that this was nothing but forcing people. Though i believe in God and do some sadhana everytime they find a reason to show their SUPERIORITY (according to them). They even claim that their mantra is the “MAHA MANTRA” and everything else is bull.
    Recently my run in with their devotees have left me even biased against them.
    A marriage is going on in our family and my wife’s uncle and aunt are literally getting hold of people and getting them to promise listening to a version of GIta that is narrated by the UNCLE and then forcing us to SELL copies to others and make them listen. And the situation is such that you cannot refuse them without creating a scene. I do not think any scriptures endorses putting us in an awkward position and speaking of things out of turn.
    Today morning the aunt asked me if i do japa. When I said yes she asked me to tell her my mantra. Now the mantra that i have received through diksha from my Guru is not to be shared by laymen, it can only be given to you by a guru. When i told them this they indirectly ridiculed that a mantra cannot be powerful if it is so closely secreted from others.

    Seeing the opulence of the Bangalore ISKCON ashram i do not believe that this was the original plan of Sri Prabhupada.

    I for one will need a lot more convincing to even listen to them again

  16. Rohan says:

    Hare Krishna
    Since i have read in scriptures that ” A sincere soul will never be deceived ”
    And The Lord personally protects His sincere practioners ….
    Practioners may be imperfect ….but the Personal Associates of Supreme Lord(Srila Prabhupada) are always perfect and like Supreme Lord they are All Powerful…..
    So no other option than to cry from the bottom of the heart only and only to Krishna and His Personal Associates for help……
    Haribol

  17. helitra says:

    OMG , I have heared about gurukulis experiences before , but have never read something so sad ,so personal, so brave. I admire u girl. I will not here mention u Krishna or gurus or anything ,but will just tell u that i hope u will find some strength in yourself to heal with time. Please do it ,i am sure you can.
    What they did to u can never be justified ,and must be prosecuted , not in another lifetime ,but in THIS ONE. Those asses who posed as devotees and then abused kids are pure shit of this world. No justification for that. Not by karma nor by maya, nor kali yuga! So dear , please hold on , i know i will remember you for life cuz you are a surviver ,even i dont now who u are.
    Now P.S. for a comment above :
    excuse me dear devotee above my comment , but she dont wanna hear much about chanting and praying. I totally understand her ,and this is not the time nor a place to preach to her. She needs a closure.Support.
    Did u just compared your strict father in raising with her brutal rape and abuse from fucking “saintly” devotees ,all in the name of god ???? Later u got that krishna gave u those parents and u realized thats mercy ….. are u implying that she should realize that its mercy to pay of her karma?
    Or i didnt get u right?
    I presume u didnt have bad intention , but careful please .
    Krishna is the supreme , but he also understands her rage .
    And by the way ,didnt Prabhupada teach children to be taken away to gurukula at age of 3 4 5 ..? For girls to have no education? To be married at reaching puberty???? Why such surprise at abusing young girls , when Srila Prabhupada himself was saying that girls should become sexually active at young age with their older husbands ,and that women enjoy men who are expert at rape. ??!!?
    Im not here to flame prabhupada for all . I do respect him for his mission for bringing GV to the west , bt he did say many things that he shouldnt have siad . He grow up in different culture and didnt have much knowledge on material issues , but he left free way to some psychos and fucking pedophiles to hang on to his few statements and to base their crime on it. Crime against krishna’s children . Damn me ,if i would ever give my baby son to any type of religios school (gurukula especially) .EVER ! How easy is to blind people, to make mass hysteria ,mass slavery , to make parent give their kids away , some of them to believe abusers over their children’e word!!! And by studying beautiful Gaudiya teachings we could have learned how to develop real rasa with the divine couple one day. Institution religion and politic hand by hand fuck it up for many of sincere devotees.
    My deepest respect to them . dandavats.

  18. James Manolakis says:

    HARE KRSNA , ALL GLORIES to HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD. To my God Sister i’m so sorry for the abuse that you experienced at the hands of the lowest form life{a person who hurts a child}. It makes me so angry when i hear these stories of Devotees who have suffered so much pain. i don’t know what infuriates me more the fact that demonic preditors committed these kinds of offenses or that good men stood bye and let it happen. Its every mans duty too protect women and children not child molesting vermin in the guise of a Devotee. Sister you DID NOT deserve this, anyone who try’s to justify this abomination or place the blame on your karma is a fool. it hurts my heart to think of you in the kind of anguish that you expressed in your first letter. i wish i could take some of your pain but only KRSNA can do that. Please consider the wise advice of our Sister Dasi and chant HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE. Why this happened to you i cant possibly imagine. Little Sister i often times question KRSNA’s love probably because i am a novice with no qualification to understand KRSNA’s Yogamaya. All i know from my personal experience is that this world is a brutal place and Srila Prabhupad and KRSNA are the only shelter. i have to have faith that in the end theres a reason for it all. When i was a child i had a very strict and what today would be considered an abusive father. He didn’t believe in sparing the rod or spoiling the child. i hated him for the way that he treated me and for the path that i took in my teens and early adult life. i often questioned why KRSNA gave me the parents that i had. Now after many many years i can see that it was KRSNA’s mercy. My father was training me the best way he knew how even though in an incorrect manner. He was giving me character, teaching me right from wrong and teaching me skills that i needed later on in life. Skills that if i didnt have i wouldn’t had survived. Now He’s in the next life i look back on the time we spent together and i love him. i’ve forgiven him for his shortcomings and i’m grateful. All i’m saying is that i never would have for seen loving my dad and having the understanding i do now by KRSNA’s Grace. i think its in Romans where Pual says{paraphrasing} we’re looking through a glass half full but someday we’ll know,even as we’re known, FULLY. Sister please forgive me if i’ve made any offences against you i just wanted to relate to you a little of my experience and try as pitifully as i can to be supportive. Hang in,there grit your teeth, remember this too shall pass. To all the Vaishnavas please except my fallen obeisances, Sincerely james

  19. Dasi says:

    And though after i left i abandoned my sadhana for a little while, i eventually came back to Prabhupada…i began reading again and developed my relationship with Krsna and Prabhupada on my OWN terms and wasn’t confused by unqualified people dictating scripture and Prabhupada’s divine teachings. They have no right to do so and they have no right to be in positions of trust and i am sorry that you had to suffer because of the ignorance of others. YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH KRSNA IS YOUR OWN. Please hear me when i say that when you discover this, you’ll be able to overcome the spiritual block that came from this oppression…and overcome the sadness and anger as well. Please don’t lose faith in the holy name. Please… You were exposed to ISKCON during a very messed up and tragic period of its history… But please, start fresh with your relationship with KRSNA…in a sincere way. The divine love of Krsna is not hostile, it is not condemning…it is not abusive. It is compassionate and merciful beyond anything these unqualified fools comprehend at this point. And if they were good devotees they would have treated you with the same respect and sweetness Prabhupada always treated kids with.
    But don’t let them take the holy name away from you…please chant. Please try to find that love that has always resided in your heart…the holy name will heal you i swear it will.
    You are worth all the love and care in the world. Allow Krsna to show you the best love and care there is… I will be praying for you. May Lord Nityananda shower you in His divine compassion and mercy…May Lord Caitanya show you spiritual triumph…May Lord Nrsimhadeva protect you from all evil thoughts, memories, people and situations…May Lord Krsna deliver you from this darkness…May Radharani show you the beauty of divine love.
    Your anonymous servant,
    Dasi

  20. Dasi says:

    My dear godsister, reading of your experience made me cry.Let me first tell you that you never deserved such treatment, &i am so so sorry for what you suffered…i wish i could take your hurt away,& i wish i could be there for you.Although i am just an online devotee friend, i’ll try my best, & i hope you read this.
    Though you may be skeptical about the existance of Krsna/God i assure you, so many devotees have felt the same way at some point in life…whether before or after they came to the movement.
    I don’t believe it is offensive to honestly address your feelings. I believe it is our life’s purpose as devotees to be true to ourselves, and to be sincere, this includes honesty with our selves in regard to our own pain, suffering, and even doubting of our own faith as a result. You are not a bad person, and i assure you that Krsna is right there with you. Eventually i know you’ll be able to reach out to Him.
    I faced a bad temple experience myself and found myself soured on the Holy Name…it connotated brainwash and hostility.i hated that they did this to me.
    I gave-up everything to become a devotee, & they treated me like garbage knowing full-well that i had no place to go.When i got sick they were only concerned that i wasn’t able to do my services. Though i knew loved Krsna &Prabhupada, i couldn’t understand why i just did not want to hear about them anymore. I couldn’t understand why i was filled with guilt and anger, i couldnt get why being supposedly immersed in Krsna consciousness i was losing my faith.I was told by other women that suffering was necessary because it would make me more humble.
    Where was the compassion?
    I finally left after butting heads with the temple president.They called me an agitator.
    But Krsna knows, hears and feels everything that you do, my dear. He is not represented by unqualified people.This isn’t whatPrabhupada wanted.Krsna will never leave you i promise.Love for Krsna doesn’t have to mean love for ISKCON. It no longer stands for what Prabhupada’s teachings,which is ur compass

    • Lukas Dohnal says:

      Do you realize that what you say is incompatible with gaudīya-vaiṣṇava philosophy?

      According to gaudīya-vaiṣṇava philosophy, she deserved it. According to gaudīya-vaiṣṇava philosophy, we deserve what we get, as what we get is the result of our karma from past lives. By saying that she did not deserve it, you are disowning the teachings of gaudīya-vaiṣṇava sampradāya regarding karma.

      Not that I would criticize you for it. It\’s just that I see many people who consider themselves followers of the gaudīya line, who actually don\’t believe deep down in themselves in those teachings (this with karma and “you don\’t deserve this” idea is just one example).

      You are right in saying that we should be honest with ourselves.

      • Hare Krishna Lukas

        You are correct of course. We all get what we deserve. That is a material thing.

        But when one comes to Krishna consciousness that is no longer a material thing. That is a spiritual thing. So a sincere devotee if they are actually sincere and when they get attacked it is not due to karma and they do not deserve it. So it is actually you who does not understand Gaudiya Philosophy.

        For example Prahlada Maharaja who was born a pure devotee of Krishna to his father, Hiranyakasipu, the King of the demons, was tortured by his father because he was a devotee of Visnu. But Prahlada did not deserve this torture. Prahlada was a pure devotee of Krishna. He was tortured by his demonic father because his father was envious of Lord Visnu. Visnu had killed his brother Hiranyaksa so he considered Lord Visnu his enemy so when his son Prahlada became a devotee of Lord Visnu he could not bear it, so he tortured his son.

        So many envious demons joined ISKCON and tortured the children of sincere devotees of Krishna because they could not bear to see the devotees worshiping and glorifying Krishna. That is what demons do. They torture devotees. But this is NOT the devotees karma. The devotees do not deserve this torture.

        Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

        Madhudvisa dasa

        • Exdevotee says:

          Devotees believe that they are some kind of special human beings, different from everyone else. But the truth is that they are not. They are regular human beings, no matter what they believe.

          • Hare Krishna

            You are correct. Everyone is the same. It is a question of being in illusion or being free from the illusion. That is all. This whole material world is an illusion, maya. The illusion is we can be happy here without any connection with serving Krishna. But that is not possible. We can only be happy by serving Krishna. But here, in the material world, maya puts up a great illusion that fools us into thinking we can be happy in the material world without Krishna. But we can not. There is only frustration and repeated birth and death in the material world.

            And actual devotee does not think he is a devotee. He is very humble. He thinks he is a regular fallen human being. Read the songs of the Vaisnava Acaryas, you will sense what is the humble mood of an actual devotee and you will see the actual devotees are thinking they are lower than the worms in the stool. Some who thinks they are special, above everyone, a special human being, this is not a devotee…

            Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

            Madhudvisa dasa


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