Flat Earth Flat Earth Vedas

Published on November 19th, 2016 | by Madhudvisa dasa | Full size image

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The Flat Earth?

Devotees often ask me what I think of the Flat Earth movement which has become very popular these days. And what the Vedas, particularly the Srimad-Bhagavatam, have to say about the shape of the earth.

Firstly I would like to point out that we are not very interested in the earth. We are interested in going back home, back to Godhead. We are interested in Krishna, serving Krishna, chanting Hare Krishna and helping the other residents of this planet to awaken their dormant Krishna consciousness by chanting Hare Krishna, dancing in ecstasy and feasting on sumptuous Krishna prasadam… And we can chant, dance and feast on any world, flat earth or globe earth, it doesn’t matter.

And secondly I would like to point out, in this mood, many of the great Acaryas have referred to this planet as a globe including Srila Prabhupada who has referred to the earth as a globe in many places throughout his writings. So it is not a very big thing to us, the shape of the earth. In many cases irrelevant things like this we can just accept the current view and it is OK for preaching. It makes no difference if it is a globe or flat. We want to get off it and go back home back to Godhead. In this regard flat earth or globe earth does not matter. We chant Hare Krishna.

But Srila Prabhupada has a great vision. As an integral part of his preaching mission he wants to build a giant Vedic Planetarium and the purpose of that is preaching. The purpose of that is to illustrate the factual structure and workings of the universe as they are revealed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Not that we are really very concerned about the structure of the universe. But the scientists have got everything wrong, and the two areas where they are most outrageously wrong are:

1. The origin of life [life comes from life, not chemicals]
2. The structure and workings of the Universe.

So Srila Prabhupada wants us to build a Vedic Planetarium which shows the actual workings and structure of the universe. This will be fascinating to every thoughtful person on the planet and everyone will understand what a great source of real scientific knowledge Srimad-Bhagavatam is. Of course ISKCON have turned the Vedic Planetarium into a joke so someone else will have to build the real thing. However it will be built and it will revolutionize everyone on the planet’s word view.

To build the Vedic Planetarium based on the description of the universe in Srimad-Bhagavatam we have to understand the Bhagavatam’s description. And therein lies the problem at present. I am not aware of anyone on the planet at this point in time who is able to understand the Bhagavatam’s description of the universe to the extent they can actually grasp how it works and where we are situated within it in sufficient detail. Which makes building a Vedic Planetarium at the moment impossible. You can not build something you don’t understand… The first step is to comprehend the model. And I humbly suggest I have not seen any evidence that anyone has yet comprehended the model of the universe in Srimad-Bhagavatam. If someone has please contact me and share it with me. I would be very, very interested to hear from you!

However everything is there in Srimad-Bhagavatam and it will be revealed by Krishna when He desires to someone who is sincere and serious and submissive and who is most importantly prepared to throw out all the garbage we have been brainwashed with from birth and start fresh with a blank slate.

There are many things we do know as facts from Srimad-Bhagavatam. As far as the earth Srimad-Bhagavatam does not describe it as a ball spinning in space.

In the Bhagavatam the earth is most certainly stationary. We can say that for an absolute fact. It is certainly not spinning or moving in any way. Because all the movements we see in the sky are explained in the Bhagavatam as movements of the wheel of time [sisumara chakra, which has all stars fixed on it in the constellations and that whole thing is rotating in the sky] and the sun, moon and planets move with the sisumara chakra but have their own independent movements also.

The wheel of time, a gigantic wheel consisting of all the stars, constellations, etc, all fixed in their respective places is connected to the wheel of the chariot of the sun god. It has an axle that rotates once every twenty-four hours. That causes the whole wheel of time to rotate 360 degrees in 24 hours. And this is the rotation that scientists mistakenly presume is the earth rotating. That is what makes the sun and moon and stars rise and set every day.

The axle of the sun god’s chariot is resting on the top of Manasottara mountain, which is a huge ring of mountains circling the whole Bhu-mandala island complex. In 360 days the axle of the sun god’s chariot moves all the way around the 360 degrees of the Manasottara mountains. This movement accounts for the different rising and setting positions of the sun, moon and stars, and also accounts for the seasons. So these two movements of the wheel of time, sisumara-chakra, prove that the earth is stationary and everything else is moving around the earth.

So that accounts for all the movements we see in the sky that the scientists presume are caused by the earth rotating.

As far as what the earth is, Srimad-Bhagavatam explains there is a plane called Bhu-mandala spreading out horizontally and it is concentric rings of land surrounded by oceans of various types. And Bhagavatam describes earth as Jambhudvipa [or part of the Jambhudvipa island] which is the central island surrounded by a salt water ocean. And that is what we experience the earth as. A land mass [that has been chopped up over time by various incidents described in the Bhagavatam [originally it was one land mass]] surrounded by a salt water ocean.

So there is no ball earth floating in space in the Bhagavatam.

So it appears the flat earth people are heading in the right direction but they are really not much better than the scientists. In scientific terms they are worse than the globe earth people because the globe earth people have a working model [which is wrong of course…] but they do have a practical working model which does predict most of what we observe happening around us. The globe earth model is a wonderful and ingenious model built by some of the most intelligent scientific brains. Unfortunatly it is wrong…

There are many faults with the globe earth model but it is a scientific model and it is the best model they have. Whereas the flat earth people have no scientific model at all. They can not present any scientific model. They all have different ideas when it comes to the details and when you try and test the partial models they put forward they are all faulty in so many ways.

But we can say for sure on the strength of the authority of Srimad-Bhagavatam the earth is not a globe spinning in space…

So the point is flat earth people and globe earth people are both useless because they are both trying to establish the truth based on their limited sense perception and their limited imagination.

Neither the scientists nor the flat earth people have access to any actual information as to how the universe is working. So it will never be possible for either group to ever understand using the faulty ascending process of knowledge. Both groups want to find the truth based on the power of their own intelligence, observations and research work. Both groups are ignorant that their observations, research and intelligence are all limited and faulty and this ascending process of knowledge will never lead to any actual knowledge.

Real knowledge descends from someone who knows. If we want real knowledge we have to find a person who possesses that knowledge in perfection. Such a person who possesses the knowledge can share it with us. This is the only way.

The Vedic literature, of which Srimad-Bhagavatam is the cream, the ripened fruit, is all written by Srila Vyasadeva. The spiritual master of Srila Vyasadeva is the transcendental spaceman Srila Narada Muni. Narada Muni travels throughout the entire universe and the spiritual world at his will playing on his musical instrument the Vina. Because Narada Muni is traveling everywhere he has full knowledge of the universe, the way it works and how it was created. He has heard all this information from his spiritual master Lord Brahma who is the engineer who built the universe, and he has seen the universe and its workings from all angles of vision.

So if we want to find out about the universe then we need to get the information from the engineer who created the universe, Lord Brahma, and we can get that through his disciple Narada Muni who has transferred it to his disciple Srila Vyasadeva who has most mercifully recorded this vital information in books approximately five thousand years ago.

The principle subject matter of the books of Srila Vyasadeva is not the structure of the universe. But there is an extensive discussion on this subject in the Fifth Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam. He also mentions things about the structure of the universe in other places in the Bhagavatam and throughout his other books including the eighteen Puranas, 108 Upanisadas, Mahabharata, etc.

This system of acquiring knowledge is called the descending process. It is the only way to obtain real knowledge. You have to find someone who knows the subject matter and learn it from him.

For more information please go to:

http://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/5

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

Madhudvisa dasa

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17 Responses to The Flat Earth?

  1. ajay prakash says:

    Hare Krishna Prabhu ji
    Dandwat Pranam…

    Very Scientific article…. Please Send me Such Nice article in Future too…
    Thank You Prabhuji

  2. Linda Ward says:

    Hare Krsna Prabhu. I find this very interesting. While standing in my very small orchard,I have felt for some time now that the earth wasn’t moving at all and that things were actually moving around it instead. I had this realisation without any knowledge of what was written in the vedic scripture so reading your post has confirmed my feelings. We are so ignorant of so very many things and much of the education we have received at school etc., is perhaps a partial truth or completely false. We cant blame the teachers as they have had the same education as us! As you say, best to focus on leaving the planet forever through bhakti yoga, but at the same time we must remember that Krsna may choose to put us back on the earth as his servant in order to teach. I feel that even wanting to go back home could be a desire for many rather than desiring to just serve Krsna which means serving him anywhere. If he chooses to take us home forever so be it but ultimately we should desire to just love and serve Him. Jesus and many other great souls have been asked to make the sacrifice of leaving the spiritual world to try and raise the consciousness of fallen souls and we must be prepared to do this now and after we leave the world. All glories to the Supreme Lord.

  3. Chandra Prakash Bairagi says:

    Hare Krishna!

    Sir, ( As you teach me and I follow )
    I am independent theoretical researcher on time, dimension including structure of universe.
    Everything that is written in our vedic text is undoubtedly correct and that is my guide.
    Every findings in our material world is pinpoint part of what is already acknowledged in vedas.
    Like we know from thousands of years about Multiverse ( As Supreme God inhales and exhales , universes are formed and get destroyed respectively . In our world Scientists came to this idea in 1952 and they are not sure . but I agree that there is multiverse . There are so many examples of inventions and findings that are simply stated in Vedas.
    This is my job and I know what to prove but
    I need knowledge to prove it and let world to know what is all about spirituality to modern scientific way.
    I want to know about picturizing the structure of multiverse thought the center of our universe’s earth by all details portrayed in Vedas . A perfect structure of “Existence” that is “Vedically” perfect and scientifically bounded so no one can argue about it ( even a lay man).

    I need to know how to upgrade my knowledge through a simplest way that is possible.

    This would be so kind of you to answer me through some reference book except Mahabharata , Srimad-bhagvatam and Bhagwat Gita.

    Thank you and hare Krishna!

    • Hare Krishna Chandra

      There are many different models of the universe in India and around the world and they have various degrees of usefulness for certain purposes.

      For example in India there is Suraya-siddhanta which is an astronomical study but with the purpose of accurately predicting the positions of the planets and other heavenly bodies for the primary purpose of calculating astrological charts.

      So these systems of predictive astronomy are useful to the degree they are able to accurately predict what we see happening in the sky. But a predictive model is not necessary an accurate model of the system it is predicting.

      Really the only authoritative information we have on the actual situation of the universe is in the writings of Srila Vyasadeva. Outside of this you will find so much but it is all contradictory and while it may be useful for certain practical purposes, it is not an authoritative presentation of the actual workings of the universe.

      So you will only find what you are looking for in the books of Srila Vyasadeva, that means the Vedas, Puranas, Upanisads, etc. Which of course includes Bhagavad-gita, Mahabharata and Srimad-Bhagavatam. The knowledge is all there in these books of Srila Vyasadeva.

      But it is very difficult for us to comprehend it as we have been so thoroughly brainwashed since birth with the blue marble spinning in the sky that it is hard to consider anything else…

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  4. Raghunathan says:

    Hare Krishna, Prabhu.

    All glories to Srila Prabhupada and to you.

    It was an excellent email on Flat earth. After reading Srimad Bhagavadam,
    I am convinced that the earth is flat surrounding by various kinds of seas.
    There are wonderful living entities living on this earth beyond the salty sea water.
    There are milky sea, yoghurt sea, pure water sea, Liquor sea, Ghee sea and so on.

    I found some info about the various seas and the living entities live beyong this salty
    sea in Vishnu Puranam. It is really nice reading your message. No one can understand these things without being a devotee of Krishna.

    Hare Krishna,
    All gloties to Lord Sri Krishna and his devotees.

  5. Tejal says:

    Hare Krishna Prabhu.

    Please explain what exactly are the Sun planet n moon planet, when we call them as planets, are they lands on a mandala which are spread out?

    & What exactly happens during Eclipse? if earth is flat. then how are eclipses formed?

    Does Narsinghadev have any abode?

    Pls answer them.
    Hare Krishna.

    • Hare Krishna Tejal

      Devotees know all these things because they are clearly described in Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam.

      So please read Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam and you will know the things correctly also.

      Krishna Himself personally states in Bhagavad-gita naksatranam aham sasi: “Of the stars I am the Moon.” So Krishna is clearly telling us the stars and the moon are the same thing. The stars are not like the sun. It is clearly described in Srimad-Bhagavatam that there is only one sun in each universe and the light of that one sun is distributed all over the universe. These things: sun, moon and stars, are not lands on a mandala spread out. They are as they appear to be, heavenly bodies moving in the sky. And they are inhabited also. But they are not part of the bhu-mandala system that the earth is part of. They are above us.

      As far as the eclipse there are two kinds of eclipses. One is when something comes in front of the sun and blocks the light. We presume that is the moon, because it is the same place in the sky where the moon is. So it is very natural to conclude that the solar eclipse is caused by the moon coming in front of the sun. But actually this is not what is happening. Srimad-Bhagavatam informs us that Rahu, a dark planet that is generally invisible because it does not reflect light takes advantage of the shadow of the moon to remain hidden in the sky. So the Rahu planet travels in the sky in the ‘shadow’ of the moon. So when the astronomers see stars eclipsed in the sky they know it is being caused by the moon, so they are not surprised. But Rahu is very tricky. He takes advantage of this area in the sky where the moon is eclipsing the stars. So Rahu moves in this area therefore he can not be detected. The only time we can see Rahu is at the time of a solar eclipse, in that case comes between the sun and the earth and the moon actually is going behind the sun. The moon is very big and far away, the sun is smaller than the moon and closer and rahu is still smaller and is the closest planet to earth.

      The other type of eclipse is when a shadow comes on the moon. This is not like the solar eclipse which is a solid object coming between the earth and the sun, Lunar eclipse is different, it is just a round shadow on the moon. So that is the shadow of rahu, rahu comes between the sun and the moon and causes that shadow. This is possible because lunar eclipses happen on the full moon and at that time the sun is on the exact opposite side to the moon. And rahu passes between the sun and moon and causes the shadow on the moon. It comes in various degrees, sometimes quite noticeable and sometimes hardly noticeable. It depends on how exact the line up between the sun moon and rahu is, if it is a perfect lineup that is the maximum lunar eclipse.

      Yes. Of course Lord Nrsimhadeva has His own abode.

      This is the way things are. The scientists and astronomers have no idea actually. They only have a two dimensional view of the sky. The have no idea at all what is distance of the objects they see in the sky or what is their actual size. In reality it goes earth, rahu, sun, moon, but they have wrongly guessed moon then the sun and they are totally ignorant of the existence of the rahu planet…

      And they have made the sun very big and the moon quite small, when in reality the moon is very big and the sun is smaller…

      They have no idea of the size of things in the sky or the distance. The moon looks like it is the size of a dinner plate when we look at it in the sky. But we know it is actually bigger than that…

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

      • tejal says:

        Very interesting Prabhu, Thanks for the explanation.

        I want to know about the sunset and sunrise Prabhu, i.e if Earth is flat. then there should be Sunlight 24 hrs a day right. So how can earth be both flat and globe at the same time?

        Hare Krishna.

        • Hare Krishna Tejal

          You need to study Srimad-Bhagavatam to understand this.

          The real problem is we do not understand it enough to prove it is correct or to explain it properly and convincingly to the scientists at this point in time.

          But as far as I can see from reading Srimad-Bhagavatam, hopefully you have the basic idea, I don’t think you do actually, otherwise you would not ask such a question, so it is not possible to explain it here in a few paragraphs… Please read the Srimad-Bhagavatam. This point, about sunrise and sunset is clearly explained there. Read it.

          Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

          Madhudvisa dasa

  6. Achyutananda Das says:

    Jay Prabhupada.
    Very nice article. One of the best explanation of wheel of time I have come across. And you are right the Planetary system of Bhagwtama is not understood by anyone in the planet and what they are creating now would definitely be scene as a fanatasy land and nothing real.

  7. Anil says:

    Sir,
    Still I have been failed to understand that whenever the all teachings, every preaching, universal lectures, divine dialogues, and above all the incarnations delivered their guideline to accept, adopt, accord, follow, and do good, hold truth, act honest and be pure without corruption then why non are made of such materials ?
    Every Epics, Each Books, Spiritual Memento say do good to the humanity but the human follow brutality, corruption, dishonesty and such these ?

    • Hare Krishna Anil

      It is because this material world is like a prison. Only criminals are sent to prison. So when you go to a prison you generally find the people there are not so nice. So only criminals are sent to the material world. As in a prison there is only a very small percentage of the population within the walls of the prison, so in the material world also there is only a very small percentage of the total population. The majority of the living entities are very blissfully engaged in serving Krishna in the spiritual world. The ones who rebel against Krishna and want to become gods themselves are sent to this material world. That is us. We are criminals in a prison. So we can not expect people to be very nice here…

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  8. NarayanaCandra Dasa says:

    All that is written in the Srimad Bhagavatam is important. Viasadeva wrote it, Sukadeva Gosvami narrated it, Maharaj Pariksit and sadhus have listened to it. So the topic of the flat earth is as important as all the other topics discussed in the Srimad Bhagavatam. Especially for neophytes devotees like us is more important to understand the creation of the universe that the rasa dance of Krsna with the gopis. To understand Srimad Bhagavatam we have to meet or become ourselves a realized soul. It ‘s very interesting to remember that Srila Prabhupada considered important to the planetarium project in Mayapur. It ‘clear that it will be very useful for preaching. Let us then to do to understand how it really made the universe, including the earth. It’s important. Hare Krishna.
    (Sorry for my English. I translated it with Google.)

  9. Karan Gunti says:

    You are totally wrong in saying scientist discoveries are useless. They are true, totally logical and with proof. I am a Krsna Bhakt, but I can’t stand to see any stupid objection against a scientist and any scientific discoveries.
    It may even happen that theories about a stationary earth are just someone’s imagination and not a reality. There are no proofs supporting it.

    Reply please.

    • Hare Krishna Karan

      You can not get any real knowledge through science. That is because the scientific process depends on information perceived through the senses and the senses are imperfect and the information we perceive through them is incomplete. You have to decide if you are a Krishna bhakta or a science bhakta. You can not be both. Either we accept knowledge from Krishna or we accept nonsense from science. If you want knowledge you have to get it from Krishna. If you want nonsense, that is available in huge quantities from science. If you want to know the origin of life Krishna informs us that He is the origin of life. Science claims life comes from a random chance combination of chemicals caused by nobody and with no purpose… Total nonsense.

      So you have to decide if you want knowledge or nonsense. You can get knowledge from Krishna, nonsense is available from the scientists.

      • Achyutananda Das says:

        Very nice point you brought about. At some point you have to switch to the Vedic view point of the world after your convinced with the Vedic wisdom and philosphy.

      • Vinod says:

        Totally agree. To claim that a random incident created life, then it’s like saying that a huge library with thousands of books was the result of an explosion at the offset printers work shop.



About the Author

My first contact with a Hare Krishna was a most merciful Mataji in Oxford Street, London who sold me a "Higher Taste" cook book in 1984 while I was on holidays there. I started seriously reading Srila Prabhupada's books in Australia 1985 and by 1986 Srila Prabhupada had convinced me "Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead" and "we should surrender to Krishna."I joined the Hare Krishnas in Perth, Western Australia in 1986. Since then I have been chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, reading and distributing Srila Prabhupada's books and preaching as much as I can.That's my life and full-time occupation now really. I like it more than anything I've ever experienced before. Srila Prabhupada's books are so amazing... Even after reading them all many times they're still fresh and new. They are truly transcendental!That's it really. Now I'm just hankering to once again see the world chant Hare Krishna, dance and feast and float away in the ecstasy of Lord Caitanya's Sankirtana movement as it did in Srila Prabhupada's physical presence. Let the whole world drown in the ecstatic flood of love of Krishna!


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