Homosexuality

Published on April 25th, 2016 | by Madhudvisa dasa | Full size image

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Our Opinion on Homosexuality?

A devotee of Krishna does not try to satisfy his own senses, he tries to satisfy Krishna’s senses. We understand that Krishna is the source of everything and that everyone is part and parcel of Krishna, so if we satisfy Krishna everyone, including ourselves, will be satisfied.

> i just want your opinion about Homosexuality?
> Thanks John

Dear John

Hello, Hare Krishna!!

We do not have our own opinion, we have to present the knowledge as it is coming down from Krishna through our spiritual master His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

We have a rather revolutionary understanding, that is everything belongs to Krishna [God] and everything, including our bodies, should be used in the service of Krishna, for Krishna’s pleasure.

A devotee of Krishna does not try to satisfy his own senses, he tries to satisfy Krishna’s senses. We understand that Krishna is the source of everything and that everyone is part and parcel of Krishna, so if we satisfy Krishna everyone, including ourselves, will be satisfied. It is like watering a tree. If you want to nourish the whole tree, all the branches, leaves, flowers, etc., you simply supply water to the root of the tree and the entire tree is satisfied. So if we simply satisfy Krishna, the root of the entire creation, then everyone, including ourselves, will be satisfied.

On the other hand, if we try to satisfy ourselves without any connection with Krishna by sex and other things we will never actually be satisfied. This type of sense gratification is like putting fuel into a fire. The fire simply burns even more and requires even more fuel to maintain it… So having sex is not at all satisfying, one simply wants more and more sex and even if he gets it he is still not satisfied and the results are actually very bad. There are so many diseases and a man looses his energy, strength and determination if he looses too much semen.

Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita that He is sex according to religious principles. So that sex, within marriage for having a nice Krishna conscious child, is very good. But otherwise sex, be it homosexual or hetrosexual is simply meant for the pleasure of the senses of the people involved. It is not being done for the service and pleasure of Krishna. So it is not allowed in Krishna consciousness.

In Krishna consciousness sex is for having nice God conscious children and such sex is Krishna Himself and is very glorious. But other sex is illicit sex and it is prohibited for a devotee. At the time of initiation a devotee has to accept vows including “no illicit sex” which that means no sex except within marriage for having children. It seems to some to be an almost impossible task as we are so attached to sex and think it is so important… But a devotee experiences a higher taste, a greater pleasure. A devotee fully engaged in Krishna consciousness under the direction of a bona fide pure devotee spiritual master is constantly enjoying a greater pleasure than sex from serving Krishna. So for him sex is not a very important thing at all.

Of course the sex desire is very strong and many devotees have fallen down from spiritual life because of it. But even if there is a fall down one can continue seriously in Krishna consciousness and soon all the desires for sex will disappear and we will be floating in ocean of transcendental bliss that is Krishna consciousness….

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

Madhudvisa dasa

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51 Responses to Our Opinion on Homosexuality?

  1. I loved this so much!! This article cleared out all my confusions and made me clear how I should react to this!! Thank you so much Madhudvisa dasa prabhu!! Hare Krishna!

  2. Juan Zapata says:

    Very wise, wholesome, and true!

  3. Annaliese says:

    So say I wish to become part of this culture/religion/way of life, I would not have to indentify as any sexuality also I would not have to be openly against or for lgbt rights?

    • Hare Krishna

      Devotees of Krishna are not for or against any bodily concept of life. Devotees of Krishna identify with their bodies for the purpose of practical day-to-day life. So if you are in a woman’s body then you have to perform the duties of a woman, if you are in a man’s body you have to perform the duties of a man. That is only natural. But a devotee of Krishna is not on the bodily concept of life. He realizes he is not the material body but still he acts externally in such a way as to set a good example for others, who are almost all in the bodily concept of life.

      So a devotee woman will be very much chaste and submissive to her husband and serve him nicely. A devotee man will take care of his family and protect them and provide for them.

      So it is not that devotees do not identify with any sexuality. They know what sort of material body they are in and act accordingly for the practical activities within the material world. But internally they know they are not these material bodies but they are eternal spirit souls, and the identity of that eternal spirit soul may be quite different from the identity of the temporary material body they find themselves in at present.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  4. Prakhar Gangwar says:

    Hare Krsna! I read the article… i have some doubts.. If two male devotees are in love with each other but they practice krsna consciousness seriously.. and they is no sex involved then is is an apradha or something wrong a devotee is doing??

    • Hare Krishna Parkhar

      Of course because devotees love Krishna they love everyone. Of course devotees love other devotees also. But this is not homosexuality. Homosexuality is two people of the same sex who want to have sex with each other. It has nothing to do with love. It is about sex. And sex in Krishna consciousness is only for having children in marriage. Love and sex are two very different things. Real love is only possible in connection with Krishna. So because devotees love Krishna they become compassionate for all the conditioned souls and want to help them develop their dormant love for Krishna also.

      Devotees are in love with Krishna, they are not in love with anyone else. They love everyone else as a result of their love for Krishna.

      So if some devotee is thinking he is in love with another devotee particularly and exclusively then that is maya, that needs to be corrected. The thing is Krishna is the person a devotee is in love with… That we have to understand. If devotee is thinking he is in love with someone else other than Krishna then that means he is in maya.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

      • aadish says:

        I always loved Krishna… but this article about his view on sex is really funny…well we don’t know Krishna himself had said all this or people are just interpreting his words the way they want… a man ( a god for you) who had 1600 wives is talking about restricted sex, he never married Radha but had a relationship with her outside the marriage, an old literature even talks about his sexual encounters… and you still want us to believe what is written in this article…

  5. Homosexual marriages are not OK. Marriage is for man and woman for having nice Krishna conscious children. Incest is also obviously not OK.

  6. Linda Ward says:

    The formal ceremony of marriage is not just for procreation it gives security & protection to children that will hopefully appear as a eresult of this union. It has been desigfned by Krsna to be this way. If people at an ashram of same sex are attracted to each other then its better if they just be good friends & go for walks, eat together & discuss spiritual topics etc but marriage is unecessary for them as there will be nno children. Just because we want things it doesnt make it right to have them.m We must fit into to Krsnas ideals for us & not make Krsna fit in to our ideals. Hare Krsna

  7. sally says:

    A QUESTION:

    Thank you for this article. Its seems to be a straightforward moral piece based on scripture and I understand it completely. However, for example, what if you understand, more esoterically, “marriage” to mean the correct flow of sexual energy through ida and pingala and illicit sex to mean distorted flows. There is also a school of thought that says no loss of semen is required for procreation, as anyone who got pregnant using the rythm medthod knows. There is a fluid not associated with spasm that is perfectly capable of fertilization. I’ve even heard it said that those spermazoa are of a higher order, who knows but it kind of makes sense.

    But that’s not my question. My question is about homosexuality in terms of what I understand from hindu teachings of ida and pingala, the feminine and masculine currents. I certainly understand that all illict sex is ill advised as you describe and your teaching on watering the roots of Krishna is beautiful. At the same time, if that kind of sex was defined as I discussed above, through love and conservation of fluid/energy, is there not more to the story in terms of the gender of the people having sex. or not. In other words, is a guy couple’s ida and pingala reversed naturally and so they could still in theory have krishna sex, or is it a thorough distortion. My question in no way is a judgment or lack of compassion for people who are gay, aflicted as we all are. Thanks!

    • This is all nonsense Sally.

      Sex is for having children within religious marriage. Only a man and a woman can have children and only a man and a woman can be religiously married.

      So any sex outside of this is illicit sex.

      Even sex between a properly married couple is illicit if it is not for the purpose of having children.

      So the point is sex is for having children within religious marriage. That is all. Otherwise it is illicit sex.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  8. Lori says:

    Hari Bol!
    These comments begin with discussion and rapidly disintegrate into speculation and wild pseudo-religious nonsense. In the very beginning, Madhudvisa Dasa explains that our own opinion has no value: we must accept the opinion of Krsna, God. It is Krsna who decides what is acceptable sex life, and Madhudvisa Dasa has kindly educated us what is acceptable. Agree or disagree, like or don’t like, it is of no matter. In order to develop love of God, we must accept His opinion on all matters, and adjust our behavior accordingly. That is the prescription for all of the ills of society. Currently, everyone wants to please themselves, and so they very mischievously attach great importance to sexual pleasure. But this is a false attachment to a bodily mood, easily overcome and controlled, so we must give it up, and attach ourselves instead to pleasing Krsna. In this way, we transcend all of these mundane pleasures. This sexual urge dissipates naturally over time, so if it is so very important to our happiness and to our relationships, why does it go away? Does nature insist that we must become unhappy and have sad relationships? This is a critical question, and has been very simply and nicely answered by Madhudvisa Dasa.

    • Linda Ward says:

      It seems as though ISKCON GBC has lost the plot. False gurus instead of Prabhupada, homosexual marriages&calling Prabhupadas temples hindu temples&installing hindu demigod deities into peoples homes& selling maha mantra courses.Prabhupada would never have authorised these practices.Marriage was designed by Krsna for the protection & security of women & children & also so relatives & the local community can see you are officially united! Instead of making a big deal about equality etc., why cant homosexuals at temples just be good friends, eat together& go for walks etc. Why this public show of getting married.These ‘marriages’ will never be accepted in the eyes of Krsna. Soon you will have devotees just living together&all sorts of other things will be acceptible.They will no longer be temples just karmi houses.

  9. Acyutānanda says:

    Very good response, Madhudvisa Prabhu. You answered with the facts regarding casual sex-life as an obstacle to pure devotion, and you did not specifically demonise homosexuals. =]
    Now, gay people who read this will understand, and not feel excluded or judged.

    However, I was wondering, you emphasise that gay people should not say they are gay or identify as such, because they are not their bodies. Using this logic, would it be reasonable to say that you are not a heterosexual? =P

    • Hare Krishna Acyutananda

      We are not this material body. So a devotee does not identify with his material body. So he is not thinking, “I am a man,” or “I am a woman,” he knows he is not this material body, that this material body is just a temporary covering of his eternal spirit soul and that he is eternally a servant of Krishna.

      So a devotee does not identify with any of these material designations.

      To become Krishna conscious we have to give up these material bodily designations. This idea that “I am a gay man” is a material bodily designation and it is not possible to become Krishna conscious without giving up this designation.

      As far as men then there is a purpose for them to get married and have sex with their wife for the purpose of having Krishna conscious children. This sort of sex life is approved of by Krishna and He says in the Bhagavad-gita that He is such sex life between the husband and wife according to the regulative principles within marriage.

      But beyond this all sex is illicit sex and that is not permitted for one who is serious about advancing in spiritual life.

      So heterosexual sex that is for having children within marriage is the only sort of sex that is permitted for devotees. That means that, practically speaking, even married devotees have to be practically celibate. They can have sex only when they want to have a child and then only once a month on the day when the woman is most likely to conceive.

      So that is practically no sex.

      Realistically sex and spiritual advancement do not go together. Sex is the thing that is most effective at dragging us down to the material bodily concept of life and that destroys our ability to advance in spiritual life. So heterosexual or homosexual, it does not matter. If we seriously want to make advancement in spiritual life we have to get free from the bodily concept of life and no longer be thinking in this sexual way but only be thinking in terms of serving Srila Prabhupada and Krishna.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  10. Siddhi says:

    Krsna is present everywhere. He is in every human being. We all are parts of Krsna. Suppose there is a wife who is in Krsna Consciousness. Her husband is a normal person unaware of the presences of Krsna, asks her to have sex for pleasure and the wife knowing that Krsna is present everywhere and also within her husband, agrees to perform sex for pleasure, is this right?
    Sex performed for pleasure are not decided, it is performed depending upon how lusty the person is. What if the wife has no time to explain her husband about the right reason and purpose of performing sex and she agrees with him in Krsna Consciousness, is this right?

    • It is not right of course. Illicit sex is illicit sex. But the wife really has no choice, she has to serve her husband. So the idea is she should cook for Krishna, offer the bhoga to Krishna, and then feed her husband with Krishna prasadam and encourage him to read Prabhupada’s books and let him hear her chanting Hare Krishna and encourage him to chant Hare Krishna. If he is Indian and she is Indian then this is the traditional Indian culture and he will most probably not complain and he will become Krishna conscious by taking the Krishna Prasadam, hearing the chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra and reading Prabhupada’s books and he will understand for himself that the only way we can actually experience real pleasure is by pleasing Krishna.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  11. tarun says:

    I’m so disappointed to see our epics and even our god doesn’t understand what we people really want..? Even if I love krsna you will call me a gay? ..? During mahabhart krsna himself took ardhnari roroop (women body) and married a man…according to krishna love doesn’t bound in sexual orientation I love my krishna and Im proud that gita is the only holy book which doesnt consider homosexuality wrong unless it has true emotions of love
    ..hare krsna.

    • Hare Krishna Tarun

      You don’t understand what spiritual life is or what Krishna is preaching in the Bhagavad-gita nor do you understand Krishna’s actions. You are blinded by your own lust and are only interested in what you want, what you think will satisfy your senses.

      Krishna consciousness means realizing that actually we are all part and parcel of Krishna and that our actual purpose is to serve Krishna. And it is only when we serve Krishna that we will be happy. So you can not “love Krishna” as you claim to do without understanding what Krishna is saying to you.

      The idea of being “gay” or “straight” is related to your material body and we are not the material body. We are the spirit soul who is present within the material body. As spirit soul we are eternal and we have an eternal loving relationship with Krishna.

      It is not that Krishna consciousness particularly criticizes ‘gay’ relationships, the idea is that any relationship based on the material body is a temporary illusion only. So this is just as true for ‘straight’ relationships as it is for ‘gay’ relationships. But the thing is in ‘straight’ relationships one can render service to Krishna by having sex only for the purpose of producing Krishna conscious children. You have to face it that the purpose of sex is to have children. That is what it is for. So you may know that Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita that “I am the sex life according to the regulative principles.” So it means that even sex can be good, sex can be devotional service, if it is used within marriage for having children. That is what sex is for. And other use of sex by anyone, straight or gay, is illicit sex and that is wrong. It is particularly wrong outside marriage.

      Of course to some extent we can do what we want to do, that is the little independence Krishna has given us. But there are consequences. That is all I am letting you know here. You can be gay but having sex with anyone, man or woman, for ‘pleasure’, is a misuse and a misunderstanding of the purpose of sex and it is wrong. This is not limited to gay people. Straight people are also acting sinfully if they have sex outside marriage or even if they have sex with their wives without the purpose of having children. So any sex is wrong, sinful, bad if it is not done according to the regulative principles [means within marriage and then for the purpose of having God-conscious children.]

      You have to understand that advancement in spiritual life means we have to become detached from the material bodily activities. And the most binding materialistic attachment is sex. So to advance in spiritual life we have to either refrain from sex life completely or at least limit our sex life to for having children in marriage only. Otherwise we will not be able to make advancement in spiritual life. This is because sex is such an entangling thing, it is so good at bringing us down onto the bodily concept of life which is what will keep us bound in the material world forever.

      So you have to actually understand that the purpose of life according to Krishna is not to stay in the material world and rot here forever perpetually undergoing birth, old age, disease and death. No. The purpose of the human form of life is to advance spiritually, to realize that we are not the material bodies but spirit souls, to realize that we are all eternal servants of Krishna and to reestablish ourselves in our eternal relationship of serving Krishna and at the time of death remember Krishna and go back home back to Godhead. So to do this we have to fall in love with Krishna. And falling in love with Krishna means that we will always remember Krishna. And Krishna states in the Bhagavad-gita that whoever remembers Me at the time of death, he will come to Me. So that is the point. You have to understand this point. That illicit sex with anyone, men or women, will cause us to forget Krishna, it will entangle us in the material world and will force us to continue on in the cycle of samsara, the repetition of birth and death, and in this way we will completely waste this human form of life.

      So you have to understand that we are not speaking of only ‘gay’ sex being bad. All illicit sex is bad. The only time sex is good is if it is used in the service of Krishna within marriage for the purpose of having nice Krishna conscious children. And that also has to be done only strictly according to the regulative principles and that also has to be given up in the later stage of life. Even a married person is expected to take to the vanaprastha (retired) life after the age of fifty years, so after this age he is supposed to give up sex life altogether. By this time he should have some grown sons and the final years of his life should be spent in developing his spiritual life, in coming closer to Krishna.

      You need to realize that sex in the material world gay or straight, except for the very restricted sex according to the regulative principles within marriage, will cause us to forget Krishna and will completely reinforce the material concept of life. Even this sex according to the regulative principles in marriage is dangerous and even that has to be given up after the age of fifty.

      So for a materialistic person this idea of giving up sex life is horrible. Because a materialistic person lives only for sex life. That is his pleasure, that is his purpose of life. So generally speaking to give up sex life is impossible. But if we can experience a higher taste. If we can experience some pleasure that is actually unlimitedly greater than the so-called pleasure we experience in sex life, then we will naturally give up the sex life and not be attracted by it. So actual devotees of Krishna engaged in the service of Krishna experience such great transcendental pleasure that sex life is no longer attractive to them. Actually it becomes disgusting to them. They spit at the thought of sex. That is because they are experiencing something so much greater than sex and because they realize that sex will make them forget Krishna and make them loose this higher spiritual taste.

      So this sex desire is the symptom that we don’t love Krishna. The symptom that we love Krishna is that we will no longer have any more material desires of which sex is the chief.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  12. madhudvisa says:

    Sex if for having babies and homosexuality is wrong. It does not matter what you think Rob…

  13. Gordon says:

    Well stated, Madhudvisa. Your summary is true to Srila Prabhupada and very helpful. Thank you!

  14. justsid says:

    Hello, I am Christian. I watched many video’s of Prabhupada online. Many times he addressed Jesus the Christ in his teachings as a man whom understood the ways of God. Didn’t Prabhupada say the Son knew the will of the Father?

    I understand what you are saying about Homosexuality. However, Jesus himself in the book of Matthew 19:12 exempted Eunuchs as he called them from the traditional marriage paradigm. He stated to his disciples, “For there are Eunuchs born so from the womb, made so by man, and made so for the Kingdom of Heaven. I have always understood this to mean Homosexuals and Asexuals being born so from the womb, Castrated harem guards and Castrati singers being made so by man, and Priests and some Monks being made so for the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Surely love is never wrong as I believe God made us all to be loving beings with a set purpose of this to be our ultimate goal. That we first learn to love one another as we learn a more perfect love of God. To deny homosexuals love is to deny them the learning process to learn to love God. Surely it would never be acceptable to deny someone the learning process of love. Abstinence from sex perhaps but the body will not be denied forever no matter whom the being is.

    • Hare Krishna Jusrsid

      There is no love in the material world. It is only lust. That is not anything against homosexuals. There is no love between men and women either. It is all selfish, self-interested, and all based on the bodily concept of life. The word ‘love’ really only can be used to describe our loving relationship with Krishna. You may have heard of the four regulative principles? If anyone at all, homosexual or straight, wants to become Krishna conscious they have to follow the four regulative principles. And you may know that one of those principles is “NO ILLICIT SEX”. That means no sex, for straights also, they can only have sex once a month only with their wife and only if they want to have a child. There is no sex for pleasure in Krishna consciousness. If you want to have “sex for pleasure” then you can not become Krishna conscious, this is nothing to do with gay or straight. It is for everyone.

      So ‘homosexual’ has no meaning in Krishna consciousness. It is irrelevant. Because there is no sex except for having children in marriage. So if you are not prepared to accept this regulative principal then it is impossible for you to become Krishna conscious. So you have to give up sex with men if you want to become Krishna conscious. Because that has no connection with service to Krishna, it is sense gratification only, and you can not have a child to raise in Krishna consciousness. So you have to give up sex with men if you want to become Krishna conscious. If you want to continue having sex with men there is no possibility that you can become Krishna conscious. That is noting against homosexuals, it is the same for straights. If a straight man is not prepared to give up sex for pleasure with women he can not become a devotee of Krishna either.

      Anyone, if they want to become Krishna conscious, must give up sex for pleasure.

      So there is no question whatsoever of sex with men in Krishna consciousness. You have to give this up or you can not become Krishna conscious.

      Obviously you can live with a man or men and together serve Krishna and practice Krishna consciousness and can be friends and associate with each other and inspire each other and help each other advance in Krishna consciousness. But if you have sex then that is maya and that will completely destroy your advancement in Krishna consciousness and also destroy the Krishna consciousness of the other person.

      Spiritual life and sex for pleasure are two completely opposite things. If one is Krishna consciousness he will hate the idea of ‘sex for pleasure’, there is no pleasure in that for him. And if one is having sex like this there is no question of Krishna consciousness for him.

      So there can be no homosexuality in Krishna consciousness. If you are identifying yourself as homosexual [having sex with men] you can not be Krishna consciousness. To become Krishna consciousness we have to give up all these material designations. So if you are designating yourself as homosexual you are not Krishna conscious and can not become Krishna consciousness. You have to give up this idea of being ‘homosexual’ and become Krishna dasa, a servant of Krishna.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  15. bhagesh says:

    I am gay, and many times i fell guilty that i have sex with man.
    and I like krishna consciousness also. and like chant krishna name.
    but as I gay in daily life i m disturbing too much in my life. and I cant stop to have sex with man.
    many many times I asks krishna why he made me gay, when my heart will convert to pure krishna consciousness. I m very thirsty for krishna consciouness.
    but when i see sexy man then everything I forget krishna consciousness and attract to him.
    after some memnt myself feel guilty, what the hell I did, so avoid chant name.
    When krishna will create such situation that I hate homo sex…

    So daily I pray to Krishna quit my habit.

    What u think… what mental situation I have, Is it demonic or anything else? Pls reply me.

    • It is not Krishna that forces us to do things like this, we become entangled in the material world as a result of our karma or work and we are practically forced to act in a particular way to fulfill that karma. So the way out is complete surrender to Krishna by surrendering to Krishna’s pure devotee and serving him. Everyone is attracted to sex. It is not just gay people. Everyone has this problem and everyone has to overcome this problem. So it is not a problem that you have and that others don’t. So the process is always the same, follow the four regulative principles [no illicit sex, no meat eating, no gambling and no intoxication] and chant at least 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra daily and very seriously read and study all of Srila Prabhupada’s books and put the instructions you find from Srila Prabhupada in his books into practice in your life and you will be able to solve this problem. But you can know it for sure that if you are not prepared to surrender to this process of saddhana-bhakti you will not be able to break free of the force of the three modes of material nature that is forcing you to do these things even though you really don’t want to do them.

      • Rajan says:

        Dear respected ISCKON member,

        Do you understand the science behind this? Being gay isnt by choice. It is genetic to much extent. Of course craving for sex isnt good, but if you believe in God, and how we are God’s children, then i take the liberty to say that God makes men gay and straight.
        So God, and in particular my Krishna would not abandon his gay son.

        • Hare Krishna Rajan

          If you want to make spiritual advancement you have to got off the bodily concept of life. Thinking that you are gay is on the bodily concept of life. So you have to give up the bodily concept of life if you want to make spiritual advancement. We have to realize that we are not these material bodies, that we are spirit souls, eternal servants of Krishna. We are not these bodies. You have to get that through your head. The body may be gay or straight but we are not these bodies. You have to get this. And if we want to make advancement in spiritual life we have to give up the bodily concept of life. Stop identifying with the body. Saying “I am gay” is identifying yourself with your body and that means you are in material, bodily consciousness, not spiritual consciousness and that will block you from making any spiritual advancement at all.

          So we have to give up the bodily concept of life. There is a purpose for sex with a woman in marriage, and that is to bring god-conscious children into the world. And that is service to Krishna. But there is no service to Krishna in homosexual sex, that is simply sense gratification and completely on the bodily concept of life so it has to be given up if one actually wants to become Krishna conscious.

          Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

          Madhudvisa dasa

  16. Antonio says:

    I have always been fascinated by Krishna followers, seen on the streets. But now reading this article. I can’t believe it. Your vision of homosexuality is the same of the Catholic Church.
    So sex is allowed just to have children!?
    It’s so dangerous this approach to the life. This is extremism.

    • Hare Krishna Antonio

      People can do anything they want to. We can not change that. But we can give some advice to the people if they want to make spiritual advancement what are the things that are favorable for this.

      It is not specifically about homosexuality, but any sort of sex life will reinforce the bodily concept of life. That is what keeps us chained in the prison of the material world. Actually we are not this material body, we are the spirit soul within the body and the pains and pleasures of the body have no connection with the soul. The body is like a machine. Like a motor car. And you–the soul–are like the driver of the motor car. So the car has some needs. You have to supply it with petrol, every few months you have to change the oil, you have to keep the tires pumped up, you have to make sure there is water in the radiator. If you want to take service from the motor car then you have to take care to supply its needs. But you are not the motor car and providing petrol to the car does not give you any pleasure actually. So sex is like that, it is a bodily demand, and it is only concerned with the body, and has no connection actually with the soul. Just like you can not satisfy your hunger by providing petrol to the car–you can not satisfy your soul by having sex with your body. There is no connection at all between the pleasure of the body and the pleasure of the soul. Just like giving the car petrol will never satisfy the driver of the car’s hunger.

      So it is a mistake, a misconception, that by trying to satisfy the demands of the body that we can become “happy”.

      Rather if you are having unrestricted sex life–any sort of sex life, not just homosexuality–then that will disturb your mind and you will not be able to concentrate on anything else. So advancement in spiritual life will be out of the question. Actually you will not be able to achieve anything significant in your life at all–even from the material point of view–if your mind is completely disturbed by this sex desire.

      And for a man loosing semen is loosing strength and intelligence and duration of life. The more semen you loose the less brain power and strength and endurance and determination you will have, and also your life will be shortened and your aging will be accelerated every time you have sex. So sex is a very bad thing actually in so many ways for the mind and the body.

      And in addition to sex causes so many problems. You will catch so many diseases from sex, and if you have sex with a women and make her pregnant then there will be a child you will have to support. And if you decide to kill the child with an abortion then you will be responsible for the murder of that child and you will have to suffer terribly for this.

      So any way you look at it the results of unrestricted sex life are very bad. However sex has a purpose–the purpose of sex is to bring nice children into the world. So sex life within marriage between husband and wife for the purpose of having children is the only sort of sex life that is permitted in the Vedic scriptures.

      So we are giving this information and people who want to make spiritual advancement can take advantage of this information and benefit greatly. And it is really nothing particularly to do with homosexuality. The same restrictions are there for heterosexuals also. They can not have sex outside marriage and can not even have sex in marriage unless they are wanting to have a child and even that is limited to the day when the women is most fertile and there is the best chance of a pregnancy. So for married heterosexuals in Krishna consciousness sex is limited to only once a month and only if they want to conceive a child. So there is no “sex for pleasure” only for having children.

      Of course without being Krishna consciousness this is impossible to believe that someone could control the sex desire like this. But it is possible for a devotee who is actually enjoying a higher pleasure. In Krishna consciousness you can enjoy spiritual bliss that is so great that it makes the so-called pleasure of sex seem completely insignificant. So it is only possible to give up sex if you are enjoying this higher spiritual pleasure.

      An example is a starving man. If he has not eaten anything for a month then any food at all he will eat with great relish and enjoyment. Even the most rubbish thing that generally he would never even touch. If he is starving he will eat it very eagerly. But if a man has just eaten a very first-class meal and is completely satisfied he will never be attracted to eating this very low grade rubbish food. He will have no attraction for it, no taste for it.

      So one who is actually in Krishna consciousness is actually enjoying ever-increasing transcendental pleasure on the spiritual platform and he is completely satisfied by this and he actually sees the so-called pleasure of sex life as disgusting in comparison. He has no attraction for it. He is completely satisfied on the spiritual platform.

      So I hope you can understand this. What we are giving is advice for those people who are seriously interested in making advancement in spiritual life. And if one wants to make advancement in spiritual life there is no alternative–he has to control his senses–otherwise advancement in spiritual life is not possible. And controlling the sex desire is one of the most important items in sense control. So for anyone wanting to make spiritual advancement it is essential that he follows these rules in regard to sex life. Otherwise he can not make any advancement.

      But if you are not interested in spiritual life then you can do whatever you want to do and you will have to suffer the consequences. And as I have mentioned before there are many bad consequences from unrestricted sex life. But without becoming Krishna conscious you will not be able to stop it…

      So if by the mercy of Krishna you can control your sex life that will be a great relief to you and a great feeling of liberation. Actually we are controlled by sex life, as soon as there is some sex desire we are forced to work to try to fulfill that desire. So we are servants of the desires of the body. That is a very condemned position, a spiritual person strives to become goswami, “the mater of the senses.” Normally materialistic people are godasa, “servants of the senses” and that is a very bad position to be in. So if you can become goswami–master of the senses–as I said you will feel great relief and a great feeling of liberation…

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  17. Sivapalan.K says:

    Obeisance and all glory to Srila sri Prabupada.
    I have two questions.
    1.In this world of many fake Gurus,how do you find your (proper) Guru?
    2. Not directly related, just logistic. What is the address of ISKON Center in Oslo, Norway?

  18. James Joseph says:

    Hare’ Krsna: I have been chanting for many many years and visiting ISKCON temples. But there is much I disagree with ISKCON on. I have wanted to take first initiation for a number of years but have always felt that Srila Prabhupada is my guru. I have looked at other initiating ISKCON gurus, but none of them have affected me or moved me like SP. I think it is more important to be initiated properly than to become a member of ISKCON. Would you please tell me where and how I can meet a Ritvik guru? Thank you. Om Hari Om

    • Hare Krishna James

      You are correct Prabhu. You know who has attracted you to Krishna consciousness and that is Srila Prabhupada. Just take full shelter of Srila Prabhupada, read all his books, listen to all his classes, watch all the DVDs and listen carefully and follow all the instructions he gives you in your practical life and your spiritual life will develop wonderfully. I do not know of any ‘ritvik gurus’ really.

      Initiation actually is not so important, the actual ceremony, as you say the important thing is to have the right guru. The real initiation is when we actually surrender. When we make the order of our bona fide spiritual master the mission in our life. If we don’t do that there is no initiation, even if we have a grand fire-yajna. Nothing happens, there is no connection unless there is surrender. And hardly anyone actually surrenders.

      So surrender to Srila Prabhupada Prabhu. Follow his instructions. At least chant at least 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra daily and strictly follow the four regulative principles and make a program to read all of Srila Prabhupada’s books. And for service why not go out on book distribution. That is the most needed service at the moment

      Don’t worry about initiation so much. Krishna knows what you want, He is in your heart, so He will supply what you need when you need it. For the time being surrender to Prabhupada, serve Prabhupada and your life will be a grand success.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Your servant

      Madhudvisa dasa

  19. Absolute Spirit says:

    Humans (and the Bonobo monkeys, we are told) are the only species that can, and does, practice sex for other reasons than having a child. Tantra says that animals practice sex for progeny only, ordinary humans for pleasure, and saints for spiritual illumination.

    Now if the Absolute consciousness has created homosexuality, there must be a very good reason for it. This could be, say, a Taoist view. And modern science has growing evidence that homosexuality is present VERY abundantly in nature among animals. Could anyone accuse animals of being unnatural? Logically it seems that it is Nature’s way of regulating population and humans tend to be the only species that makes fuss about it.

    Many holy people have said that homosexuality is bad and undesirable but that was only because they have tried to push people into spiritual life and energetically, unless certain measures are taken, homosexuality does create some imbalance that hampers the smoothness of spiritual evolution. However, if sexuality is not expressed, people on lower rungs of spiritual evolution (in yogic terms, functioning at the level of the lower chakras) are only left with suppression no matter how much practice they do. Sexuality loosens its grip naturally as one progresses.

    Now my own story just to prove the point: I myself used to force myself into a relationship with a woman – for 7 long years – so no one could “accuse” me of not giving it a try. The only result was physical, emotional and mental misery and retardation of my evolution. In addition, once I dated a guy involved in the Hare Krishna movement. His case is even more sad than mine, because he actually went one step forward, married AND, successfully, had sex for progeny. Now his son has a deranged father who can’t help dating men and having sex with them.

    In conclusion, sexual prescriptions that we get from the saints and gurus are very valid but not universally – this is a mistake that religions make. Please don’t turn your wonderful tradition into a rigid religion; the only chances of survival and ability to benefit humanity is to be an evolving spiritual tradition. The power of the Maha Mantra is great and surely, in due course, will transform and sublimate everyone’s lower urges into higher spiritual consciousness. Until that happens, though, indulging with awareness acceptance and with moderation is surely the most sensible choice for the vast majority of people.

    Hari Om

    • KC says:

      Great comments, dam some people are so dull. Either most people are dumb and lazy or I’m must be real smart. Are people to lazy to read the comments from Madhudvisa dasa??? I mean really how many times does he have to explain him self , SEX IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE HARE KRISHNA MOVEMENT FOR PLEASURE!!!!! IT”S ONLY TO BEGET CHILDREN!!! SEX WETHER IT”S GAY OR STRAIT IS NOT ALLOWED FOR SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT!!!!! Let me repeat the last statement .SEX WETHER IT”S GAY OR STRAIT IS NOT ALLOWED FOR SPIRTUAL ADVANCEMENT! I’m mean really stop asking the same idiotic questions people! If you want to have gay sex or straight sex for pleasure then so be it, go have a ball! But it’s very hard to make SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT DOING SO. Just as it’s hard to make spiritual advancement GETTING DRUNK every night and snorting lines of coke! OR eating your self to death on the flesh of DEAD animals!!!!! DO YOU ALL GET IT???? DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT DON”T EXPECT TO MAKE SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT SMOKING CRACK, HAVING SEX ALL THE TIME CAUSE YOU THINK YOU LOVE SOME DUDE OR CHICK, AND BEING GLUTTONOUS! Jeez!

      • Kris says:

        LOL, GREAT COMMENT!!! I’m a gay guy born in the in Hare Krsna movement. I’ve had sex with guys only. I understand the reactions to this, but in NO WAY am I going to change our PHILOSOPHY to meet my own NEEDS and pleasures!!! People are so dull , they just want to hear that it’s ok to have sex, and they’ll keep asking until someone tells them the answer they want to hear. As a gay guy I know that I can not evolve in my own spiritual practice if I’m having illicit sex, drinking, eating meat, gambling etc etc.

        I’m now in a relationship where I don’t have sex with my partner, I “love” him for who he is and enjoy his companionship. I converted him to Hare Krsna and now we both go to kirtans, chant Hare Krsna, and preach to others.

        • Bradley says:

          Thanks bud I needed that, not met a great deal of people in the KC movement and I’m on the same boat. All the best, Hare Krishna

  20. JeremyWestenn says:

    Aren’t there stories in some of the side along religious texts about Krishna growing up- and doesn’t he have sexual relations with the wives of men who are out herding animals?

    Also, the Bhagavad Gita rules out illicit sex- but what type of sex does it ever go into detail in? It rules out lust and illicit sex, but how do I know Krishna is specifically talking about this or that- and not just one woman and 20 other guys?

    And does Krishna enumerate exactly that sex is only for procreation, or does he just say that procreation is a thing that honors or pleases him? These last two ones- can you find me the citation for the text so I can look them up in my book please?

    Thank you!

  21. JeremyWestenn says:

    I’m a bit confused by some of these interpretations. For one, aren’t there numerous stories of Krishna having sex with Indian woman- the wives of the men who went into the fields or some such thing?

    Also, can you post the specific scripture from the Bhagavad Gita that lays these things out. For one, there is a prohibition on illicit sex- but it doesn’t describe illicit in it. If that’s your interpretation of illicit sex then power to you- but does Krishna further expound that? Beyond that, is it expounded in other texts- the Srimad Bhagavatam for example, etc. And can you show me the scripture where he says reproduction is the only use for sex- I’ve not actually seen it. I’d appreciate it. 🙂

    • 4m17 says:

      there are no stories relating KRISHNA having sex to otherz wifes & having such thoughts is very SINFUL..KRISHNA is th supreme personality of godhead..if ur aiming at the rasa lila then know well that at that time KRISHNA was only 8yrs old from the scriptures so how could u say such things..furthermore th women ur talking about in the KRISHNA lila in Vrndavan are the GOPIS and they are the eternal servants & associates of RADHA & KRISHNA..when KRISHNA come in this world they all come along together with HIM & participate in HIS pastimes..don’t mistake the GOPIS or any person associating with KRISHNA to be ordinary persons like us..thats a gr8 mistake

  22. JV says:

    Is there any problem with romantic relationships between two people of the same sex if there is no sex involved?

    • Acyutãnanda says:

      Only if it interferes with their relationship to Krishna.
      In which case it’s a matter of how serious they are about serving Him, not about their orientation.

  23. Sarah says:

    You said that in Krishna Consciousness only sex for conceiving a child is allowed. I was wondering, is my union with my husband still blessed if we make love not just for babies or pleasure, but because I love him. Is sex purely as an expression of love acceptable?

    • No. Sex is only permitted for having children.

      Sex for love is a big problem. Because it means at the time of having sex you are not wanting a child. It is simply for selfish pleasure. And if a child results from that sex, which happens many times, no matter what precautions you may take, that child will be vana sankara, an “unwanted child” and you will murder him with an abortion or if he is born he will not develop properly because he was unwanted at the time of conception.

      It is a misunderstanding. There is no such thing as sex which is blessed or sacred with your husband or wife if that sex is not for the purpose of bringing a nice child into the world. That is the purpose of sex. And any other use of it is illicit sex and is sinful and will only have very inauspicious results.

      The idea is to do everything for the pleasure of Krishna….

      • Sarah says:

        With all due respect, my child is still wanted even if his conception is unintended. My heart has no fear of motherhood and my child will be welcomed with much celebration no matter what the circumstances of his conception.
        My husband desires sex and I give him this gift out of love. It would be wonderful if he were enlightened and did not desire it as much, I think he would be happier. I would be happier too if I didn’t have to perform so much as well. How can I change this situation? So many wives who are more spiritual than their sex-craving husbands find themselves in my same predicament. What is your advice?

        • Hare Krishna Sarah

          Yes. There is no proper education for anyone in this demoniac society. So the men are educated to think that getting married is for having sex and women generally think that as well. That explains the very high divorce rates. As soon as there is some problem with the sex life the husband and wife separate.

          It is a completely bad society, but we have to make the best use of a bad bargin. As a wife it is your duty to serve your husband nicely and to be submissive to him. And if you do serve him nicely in a very submissive way he will grow to love you a great deal and will very seriously consider anything you suggest to him.

          So if you do this, serve your husband very nicely in a submissive mood, and at the same time advance in Krishna consciousness by reading Srila Prabhuapda’s books and chanting Hare Krishna and cooking nice vegetarian meals and offering them to Srila Prabhuapda and Krishna and then to your husband, then gradually everyting will be transformed in your married life.

          Association is very powerful. So if you can become a nice devotee of Krishna, your husband will also advance spiritually by your association. And in his own time and his own way he will realize that the sex life is less important and that there are more important aspects to your relationship.

          I wish you all success with this.

          Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

          Madhudvisa dasa

        • Namesake says:

          Hare Krishna

          I think you misunderstood the meaning of unwanted child , its not unwanted by “you” directly but the consciousness of the child will be unfavorable for any sort spiritual advancement which would ultimately affect the family and society , everyone.

          Hence parents would be held responsible for the ruining of their child’s consciousness just because they wanted some sense gratification instead.

          http://vaniquotes.org/wiki/Varna-sankara

  24. FunMe says:

    My lover was a Hare Krishna. He loved God and his method was through Krishna.

    I loved him dearly and my method to God was through Christ.

    Our spirituality was stronger than “mere mortals” or “human beings”. Our love was bonded by GOD. We both had different paths, but at the end we both were devotees of God first and foremost.

    We always said, God is #1, our parents our#2, and we are #3.

    My lover Milan is now in heaven with God and his guru Krishna. But he taught me much about love for God and that it does not matter which route we take, as long as it is GOD.

    And my lover also taught me that it does not matter what “mere man” says or thinks, all that matters is your love for GOD and your spirituality will be stronger.

    NEVER let mere man tell you how you should worship GOD.

    Love to all.

    • Mikelo says:

      Hey, FunMe,

      My own life partner is a Christian, and he’s done a lot to show me Lord Jesus and all the wonderful things He is. My focus primarily is Krishna, the Father, but Srila Prabhupada said once that if we don’t know the son, our understanding of the father is incomplete, and Jude was more than happy to show me the son.

      I agree with you fully, God truly DOES come first, and all He craves of us is that relationship, and anyone can have that relationship.

      • Namesake says:

        hare krishna!

        I think if you know god you automatically know everyone else , think of it if you were to know each individual soul! we cannot even imagine knowing all 8 billion people on earth what to say of millions of universes where our universe is one of the smaller ones(3 headed brahama which represents number of (3) lokas) not to mention the fact that srila prabhupada says that more than 90% of spirit souls live in spirtual world!
        So watering the root is enough or in other sense knowing god is enough!

  25. Mikelo says:

    It seems like your opinion of homosexuality is the same opinion on everything else. Basically there’s no distinction, or any cause for it.


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My first contact with a Hare Krishna was a most merciful Mataji in Oxford Street, London who sold me a "Higher Taste" cook book in 1984 while I was on holidays there. I started seriously reading Srila Prabhupada's books in Australia 1985 and by 1986 Srila Prabhupada had convinced me "Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead" and "we should surrender to Krishna."I joined the Hare Krishnas in Perth, Western Australia in 1986. Since then I have been chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, reading and distributing Srila Prabhupada's books and preaching as much as I can.That's my life and full-time occupation now really. I like it more than anything I've ever experienced before. Srila Prabhupada's books are so amazing... Even after reading them all many times they're still fresh and new. They are truly transcendental!That's it really. Now I'm just hankering to once again see the world chant Hare Krishna, dance and feast and float away in the ecstasy of Lord Caitanya's Sankirtana movement as it did in Srila Prabhupada's physical presence. Let the whole world drown in the ecstatic flood of love of Krishna!


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