A God of Love? A God of Goodness?
November 13, 2010 by Madhudvisa dasa
Filed under Religion
From the Bilbe, Jesus is the Son of God. So we know that Jesus is from the God and goddness. If God is a God of goodness, a God of love why does he let people suffer so much? Thanks guys. — Haonan
Many people, it seems, think there could be not be a God because this world is so messed up. I saw hundreds of postings on the internet after the bomb in the states that killed some children in a kindergarten. They were saying, “If there is God, how could He have done this?”
This reaction is a result of the relatively new Christian idea of an “all-loving God”. They say an “all-loving God” wouldn’t have Hell, He knows we are not perfect so He won’t punish us for our sins… But this is nonsense. It is not what Christians believed thirty or forty years ago either.
God is a loving God, but love means He cares about us so if we stray from the path of spiritual life a loving God will arrange to correct us, to get us back on the right path.
All the confusion stems from a misunderstanding of what this world is for. We don’t belong here. We have come here to try to be happy independently from God. We want to be the controller, we want to be god. To fulfull our independent desires God has created this world, but it’s created in such a way that we can enjoy here but all our enjoyment will end in frustration. This material world is actually created as a place of frustration. If it was all “peaches and cream” we would never contemplate leaving this place…
Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita (8.16):
abrahma-bhuvanal lokah punar avartino ‘rjuna
mam upetya tu kaunteya punar janma na vidyate
“From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains my abode, O son of Kunti, never takes birth again.”
So this is a place of misery! [And every time I say this people jump up and down... but what can I do? It is a miserable place!]
There is a little “pleasure” here and there is certainly beauty here but it is not permanent. That is the source of the misery and frustration. We, the spirit souls, are eternal living beings but currently we are covered by these material bodies. When we accept our material bodies as ourselves and work on the bodily platform we are working for temporary things. Even if we achieve these temporary things [and some temporary happiness] in time we will loose them again and become distressed.
So happiness and distress is coming and going like the waves of the ocean, but a self realized soul is not attached to happiness nor is he disturbed by distress. He knows both are temporary manifestations caused by his past activities [karma] in this life and previous lives and that he can’t do anything about it. His allotted happiness will come and so will his allotted distress.
Nobody works hard for distress, but distress still comes, so even if we don’t work for it our allotted happiness will also automatically come to us. We can’t change it by working very hard. It’s caused by our activities in the past, we can’t change our activities in the past…
Some people, due to their good karma, do enjoy “happy” lives here while others, due to their bad karma, suffer like anything. THIS IS NOT GOD’s PARTIALITY. It is the result of OUR actions in the past. God doesn’t kill children in a bomb. Those children did something in their previous lives so as a reaction they had to be killed in the bomb blast. It’s a result of their own activities…
A devotee takes distress as Krishna’s mercy and as an impetus to take spiritual life more seriously.
When Krishna was personally on this planet [5,000 years ago in India] due to the intrigues of the Kuruvas the Pandavas [Krishna's friends and devotees] were put into great difficulty. They were forced out of the kingdom which was rightfully theirs, they had to live in the forest for twelve years and they faced so many difficulties. There is a very beautiful section in the first canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam entitled “The Prayers of Queen Kunti”. Kunti was the mother of the Pandavas and she has given so many nice prayers:
“My dear Krishna, Your Lordship has protected us from a poisoned cake, from a great fire, from cannibals, from the vicious assembly, from sufferings during our exile in the forest, and from the battle where great generals fought. And now You have saved us from the weapon of Asvatthama.
“I wish that these calamities would happen again and again so that we could see You again and again, for seeing You means that we will no longer see repeated births and deaths.
“My Lord, Your Lordship can easily be approached, but only by those who are materially exhausted. One who is on the path of [material] progress, trying to improve himself with respectable parentage, great opulence, high education and bodily beauty, cannot approach You with sincere feeling.
“My obeisances are unto You, who are the property of the materially impoverished. You have nothing to do with the actions and reactions of the material modes of nature. You are self-satisfied, and therefore You are the most gentle and are master of the monists.
“My Lord, I consider Your Lordship to be eternal time, the supreme controller, without beginning and end, the all-pervasive one. In distributing Your mercy You are equal to everyone. The dissensions between living beings are due to social intercourse.”
(Srimad Bhagavatam 1.8.24-28)
So God is not responsible for our suffering, we caused it ourselves. In times of difficulty a devotee takes shelter of Krishna, he turns to Krishna, but in times of material prosperity and happiness there is a chance he may forget Krishna. So Queen Kunti is praying, “Let the calamities come again… for then there will be no chance we will forget You.”
Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita 2.14:
matra-sparsas tu kaunteya sitosna-sukha-duhkha-dah
agamapayino ‘nityas tams titiksasva bharata
“O son of Kunti [Arjuna], the non-permanent appearance of happiness and distress and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed.”
Thank you very much. Hare Krishna.
these words are eye opener because we the people of this world must realise that our goal is to go back to Lord Krishna and serve him to be happy for ever and be peaceful. with His direction one can achieve this goal .
actually some people don’t forget Krishna when opulence is availible, they on the contrary praise God for having this opulence and in this way remember Him, and again in an opposite way when things are bad they do not remember Him, because they think the trouble God just made for us is not justified, or that because of so much suffering their minds is just not clear enough to think about and remember Him.
These people are not devotees. Praising God for the opulent position they are put in and using it for their own comfortable life and cursing God or forgetting Him because they are in a difficult position.
A devotee, if he is put in an opulent position considers that the opulence is not his, but it belongs to Krishna, so he does not use such opulent facilities for his own benefit, but uses them in the service of Krishna. If a devotee is put into a difficult position he takes this as the mercy of Krishna. He does not forget Krishna or curse Krishna, “Krishna why have you done this to me?” No. He is thinking, “Krishna I deserve so much worse and you are giving me only this little suffering. Krishna you are so merciful on this fool…”
For a devotee the material position he finds himself in does not affect his relationship with Krishna. The material pleasures and pains and opulence an poverty only affect the body. And a devotee knows that he is not the body, but that he is the eternal spirit soul present within the body. So the apparent happiness and distress of the material world does not affect him at all.
So the conclusion is the people you are taking about are materialists not devotees…
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
RACIONAL OPTIONS.
If God is Good, Why Many suffering humanity?
This question must be God’s answer. Because God knows better why He “let” a lot of people suffer.
The question: Who would dare to encounter God and Asking for an answer?
Where to go and where we can come face to face with God for Requesting an explanation?
Science can not answer is whether there is a mystery sesuah life or death?
Why is the death of the soul or spirit from the body of Form?
Spirit was to go where?
We are back to the birth of mankind.
Is Spirit or yanin in Juwa child in the womb or from the spirit of the father or the mother’s spirit?
If the spirit or soul that comes from parents, then the spirit is the father moved to the boys and the spirit of mother to daughter?
Who would dare give a definite answer?
The world is full of mystery. Man himself is a mystery to himself and his life.
Small things that need to be answered:
How the form of the spirit and soul are in our physical bodies?
Not only the Christian religion that teaches that God is good, all religions teach that God is All-Good.
The bottom line:
God gives to man of reason, free will and consciousness. Humans use reason to do what is good and right.
The issue is whether people want to do good to help others who suffer or not?
Should the Lord came and took over the task of man to overcome the human problem. Maybe God wants, but if that happens,
who can be free from the wrath of God?
Who can stand against human Tuyhan Nothing is free from the wrath of God because all men sinned, more interested in themselves and less attention to others.
For example: If the human face of natural forces such as hurricanes, typhoons, floods, earthquakes and tsunamis alone was not capable.
Does God need to come directly into the world?
Do not demand more than God?
IF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT he did,
LORD KNOWS MORE THEN WHAT HE PLAN.
PHILLO NARAHA INDONESIA
This question was also raised by Job. In the Bible, God replies to Job, not answering him but telling him the following:
Job 38
The LORD Speaks,
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said: 2 “Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? 3 Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. 4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone- 7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels [d] shouted for joy? 8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb, 9 when I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness, 10 when I fixed limits for it and set its doors and bars in place, 11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waves halt’? 12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning, or shown the dawn its place, 13 that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. 15 The wicked are denied their light, and their upraised arm is broken. 16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? 17 Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death [e] ? 18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me, if you know all this. 19 “What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? 20 Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings? 21 Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow or seen the storehouses of the hail, 23 which I reserve for times of trouble, for days of war and battle? 24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed, or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth? 25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain, and a path for the thunderstorm, 26 to water a land where no man lives, a desert with no one in it, 27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland and make it sprout with grass? 28 Does the rain have a father? Who fathers the drops of dew? 29 From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens 30 when the waters become hard as stone, when the surface of the deep is frozen? 31 “Can you bind the beautiful [f] Pleiades? Can you loose the cords of Orion? 32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons [g] or lead out the Bear [h] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God’s [i] dominion over the earth? 34 “Can you raise your voice to the clouds and cover yourself with a flood of water? 35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way? Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’? 36 Who endowed the heart [j] with wisdom or gave understanding to the mind [k] ? 37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds? Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens 38 when the dust becomes hard and the clods of earth stick together? 39 “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness and satisfy the hunger of the lions 40 when they crouch in their dens or lie in wait in a thicket? 41 Who provides food for the raven when its young cry out to God and wander about for lack of food?
Basically, God tells Job that we must not think that God is not aware of all the evil things going on. He knows and will take care of it just as He takes care of the most minute creatures in the universe.
Ummmmm I vam not sure what to say about the comments, but am a christian and I believe in God and that he IS a all-loving- God. The answer to that question is cause God lets us choose our path , he don’t want to loved by force, but by heart. In the Bible is say that in the end’s of the day Man would turn away and their heatrs would turn cold. Which means that the love would die and that we would follow other Gods. Plus GOd doesn’t need to destroy the world cause it can destroy it’s self.